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building a five-star PC that's easy all

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you have to have is money but what if you don't I mean that two star

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motherboard could hold the key to incredible savings couldn't be that bad

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could it to find out we built a PC using

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only the worst rated parts that we could find on newegg.com and we ended up with

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this and sure from the outside she's not so bad but on the inside it's a black

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hole misery a

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disappointment maybe or maybe it's fine

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to find out we need to go back to the

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beginning the beginning the beginning starting with

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the ryzen 5 8500g AMD never sent these out to

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reviewers for evaluation and if our

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experience with it is anything to go by that's probably for good reason you see

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the compromises that AMD made on this chip are a lot especially if you

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consider the not very low $180 price only two of its six cores are

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full-size zen4 and while the integrated Graphics are decent compared to the

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competition when the time comes to upgrade them you will be shocked shocked

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I say to discover that your GPU slot could be running at as slow as 1/8 the

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bandwidth of other modern PCS and it gets even worse modern storage drives

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can end up with their bandwidth cut and depending who you believe this chip

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might only support single Channel memory

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who does AMD imagine this thing is for maybe you're building a super power

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efficient PC but can't afford the better balanced 8600 G well I urge you

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theoretical customer um let's name you Grover please wait for a sale on

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something else or consider the Intel 14100 with a discrete GPU or almost

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literally anything else this truly is the worst current chip so in it goes

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into our motherboard that is after we

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at first glance the prime b650 plus from Asus seems downright decent professional

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reviewers touted its well-rounded features so I can see why Grover might

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be eyeing it at least until he sees these user reviews and guys I know three

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stars doesn't necessarily mean something is garbage I mean we could have found a

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onear motherboard if we looked hard enough but we felt that it was best to

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limit our search to products that had more than just a handful of reviews and

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besides while three stars is average

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would you eat at a three star restaurant on Google Maps one where half of the

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customers say that the food is delicious and the other half say it's

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defective multiple people mentioned that the diagnostic LEDs don't work on this

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board which could be an issue if we're going to push our twar mushin enhanced

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Redline memory to the Limit Yep this

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right here is 64 whole gigs of the worst

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rated DDR5 RAM we could find jealous

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well you probably shouldn't be see it's rated for 6,400 megga transfers per

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second but based on the reviews it seems very unlikely that we're going to be

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seeing those speeds which was a little surprising for me I mean mushin's a real

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brand and at $25 it's not even cheap so with so many

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other options at the same price why would Grover choose these ones oh

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speaking of price how much was the motherboard $180 180 bucks I mean that

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seems like a god motherboards have gotten

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expensive this is a b650 board yep

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that's not even a top tier one well at least our storage was cheap that's right

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folks just $40 for the SATA ad data

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Premier SP 580 with a huge 120 billion

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bytes of storage which is what enough

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for Windows in one game let's see what the people have to say about about this

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one uh dead dead defected oh here's a

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five star review wait blue screens but he's not sure it's because of the SSD

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that is a super weird thing to mention in a five-star review for a product and

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things aren't looking much better for SSD number two which we bought another

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junk SSD I mean at least the team group

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gx2 has the potential to be more useful thanks to its 2 tbyte capacity but again

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that's only if it stays functional you know what's hard to screw up these

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days though a case but you know who managed it begears the B bigger managed

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to get only 2.9 Stars the question for

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me is why there's a lot to like here

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tempered glass fold my trap this came untaped at the bottom and so when you

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picked it up it just fell out it was shrink wrapped and then they thought

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that was a good idea I guess what they never taped the Box no and so twice

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people picked it up and it just flew out the bottom oh so the tempered glass side

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panel could be a bug not a feature if you're going to drop it on the floor

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increased air flow also the photos make

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this case look like fans are included and actually make it look pretty sick in

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general but uh in person it looks more

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ill than sick the Glass isn't held in

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place by anything there's no little nubbins no little Groove to put it in or

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anything like that where would you even put front 120 mm fans in this case it

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straight up doesn't have the mounts for them I I remember we looked at the

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pictures of this in script riew I do you have do you have a picture sure it there

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there is no fans in the front of the picture of the I thought there were no

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no they just kind of strategically take the picture so it kind of seems like it

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yep you could definitely infer that that RGB is coming from fans on the inside

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and the bottom too like where would that where would the RGB here be coming from

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yeah that's a straight up lie there is no RGB coming through there

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realistically though aside from feeling a little deceived there's nothing

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inherently wrong with the case that is

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as long as I don't want to have a ton of air flow Not only was there nowhere for

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fans in the front there's nowhere for air to come into the case but that seems

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like a problem for future lus is this like really

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unstable this is really easy to tip over compared to most cases it's so light and

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it's so narrow anyway we weren't able to

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find a particularly low rated cooler so we're going to throw the stock cooler on

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here I can't say the same however for our fans if the reviews of the Z3 pros

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from montech or anything to go by I have very high expectations for them that is

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to say I expect they will make a high amount of noise I don't want to keep

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harping on the case but there is absolutely nowhere to Cable manage the

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cables for these fans or the eight pin EPS connector for the motherboard so

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good luck David okay that's why I strategically took the rear fan the

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these fans literally are mashed up

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against the vrm cooler of this motherboard this is a really tight case

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moving on to our power supply you may recall that gigabyte was Under Fire pun

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intended for setting the over Power Protection and overcurrent protection on

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these units too high meaning that under heavy load some spectacular failures

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took place some of which took other components with them gigabyte ultimately

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did offer Replacements and they fixed the issue in their newer units but it's

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clear from the reviews on this thing that the reputational damage was done

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and honestly I'm kind of surprised that they didn't just relaunch this as a new

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skew to move away from the 240 onear reviews that are on this power

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supply while we were wiring it up we found some serious problems with this

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case there's only one spot to mount a 2 and 1/2 in drive down here in the bottom

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every other hole is not properly aligned so I don't know I guess other SSD just

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goes here but hey it's got correctly spaced tabs and screw holes for 5 and

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1/4 in Optical drives three of them even

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though there would be nowhere for them to slide into I love this thing also if

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you have the top uh fan installed there is no way to install an 8 Pin power

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connector on the top of this board that might not be an issue with every board

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but it's definitely an issue with this one I could rip the clip off do it I

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need a knife okay nice wow this cable

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management is awful and it's not about

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to get any better at least it won't get much worse our Sparkle ecoar A310 4 gig

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GPU does not require an external power

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connector wow that's one of the best things about

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it though it's been our position for a long time that there is a class of GPU

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that is less Graphics processing unit and more display adapter for your PCIe

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slot and that's pretty much the story

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here unless like Anonymous you are a video transcoding Enthusiast where it

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can offer a pretty good value not to mention outstandingly low power

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consumption at just 50 Watts if like

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some folks you buy this and expect to be doing any gaming on it though you're

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going to be sorely disappointed especially with this one that apparently

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has issues with the cooling fan

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wait I know I'm interrupting b-roll to talk about the case again but to put a

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glass side panel on this did they literally just take an existing chassis

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drill four holes in it thread them and then put it on like it's got mounting

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for a regular metal side panel it's all visible and if they were going to just

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put the holes anywhere anyway why didn't they make them symmetrical it took me

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three attempts to put this glass panel on they couldn't even put the little

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grommet on the right spot so there's just a second hole in it getting into

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the rest of the setup I don't know what's so bad about this monitor I mean

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yeah it's only 1080p but 165 HZ 1 MC

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moving picture response time ah 2.8 out

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of 5 eggs and mostly comes down to reliability issues breaks down after 6

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months cool this is a fun one you've

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probably seen this desk pad somewhere in fact you might have even seen it on our

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channel before and the reviews across every Marketplace it occupies are bad

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but what caught our attention more than anything is the awful seller ratings for

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it how is this store given a toprated status on New Egg if they have so many

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negative reviews I mean three stars on

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402 reviews ain't good and it's the

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packaging that seems to be the primary issue they apparently fold it instead of

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rolling it and my notes just say talk about why they would do that based on

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everything we've learned from selling desk pads David there is no reason to

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fold the desk pad instead of rolling it and what's funny is we did buy this from

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that seller and they did roll it they just put it in a plastic bag so I don't

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know when they figured it out but hey they finally did either way at 20 bucks

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this is a terrible value just pick up a mystery desk pad from LTT Store.com it's

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bigger and better and it doesn't identify Winnipeg as one of the three

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important cities in Canada our Capital Cities not on here in fact the American

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cap capital's not on here they got New York Chicago Dallas Denver and Los

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Angeles where the is Washington as bad

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as it is though it is nothing compared to our Ruckus 4-in-1 Pro gaming kit this

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has two and 1 half stars out of five on Walmart with one user calling it the

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worst thing I've ever used and saying I

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feel ashamed just to own it why does Southern Telecom Inc even make gaming

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peripherals remember when lightning was cool never stop being cool yeah me

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neither wait this is a super weird Legend they put WD on the arrow keys

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what and there's no Windows key what it

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has a Windows lock unless this is a Windows key and the lock is you function

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Windows no that would be so stupid I'm a

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reasonable person and a 2.5 is not good enough for you so I got you a 2.6

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keyboard and it's ergonomic you got two sets of peripherals just the keyboard

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wow I'm I'm a reasonable person internet and multimedia hot Keys three color

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illuminated backlight and split key design you know what though I did a lot

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of my early gaming on an ergo keyboard h i don't think you know that no but you

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accidentally put me back in my element this is what was missing now

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you're a pro again seems serviceable as far as these go and hey it's got two

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Windows keys to make up for that last one you uh missed the most important

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upgrade another uh mouse pad oh good wow the oh that's what makes it 4 in one

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nice and it almost lies flat this is remarkable this may be the

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single worst feeling headset that I have ever touched oh that's pretty good touch

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the ear cups what is wrong with these

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why also this driver is it's like right

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there you look like a game this is terrible and in order to justify the

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molding costs they have to make thousands of these thousands of Gamers

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yeah are experience in two and a half star gaming hey those fans actually look

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pretty cool kind of noisy but that can probably be configured don't push a ton

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of air for how loud they are I have to be touching the metal to feel any air

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moving huh I hate these peripherals guys

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for around $50 or less The Cooler Master mm 712 looks awesome or the Logitech

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g305 there's lots of options for great budget keyboards we're going to have

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some suggested peripherals for the same price as what we paid for this garbage

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Linked In the video description uh

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Decor oh apparently there's decor and

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we've limited ourselves to one item and

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it's one star it's one star oh I get

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wait is that a Mario star with cowboy boots and a cowboy hat it certainly

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looks like a Mario star and I love it so much was this poorly rated no it's just

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one star oh I get it all right thanks David am I supposed to get an output for

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from this uh yes I mean I guess it

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shouldn't really surprise us if the lowest rated PC

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died oh the RAM did I put the did I put

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the RAM in the near slots I actually did notice that I meant to mention it wow

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what a rookie error not that it should matter it should probably still post but

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um those aren't the best slots to put the first two sticks of memory in you

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know what other than the fact that the case is a complete piece of crap I don't

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hate it is that supposed to be color it looks like it's

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trying maybe oh yeah wait I didn't I

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didn't see any RGB lead on it no it was just a

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Molex dude there's two more leads off of this

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thing I think this is actually an RGB LED strip but they yeah oh yeah yeah no

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you can tell you can tell cuz if you cover some of it it turns a color but

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they didn't install the other leads so there's no control it's just powered at

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least the systems posted though let's see if we can get Expo enabled ddr5 6400

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I believe see let's go my question is

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whether it's going to be running in dual Channel mode M we saw conflicting

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information about the support for dual or single Channel memory on this CPU it

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doesn't make any sense to me wait no it

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can't be single Channel because we saw

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the full capacity of the memory if it only had a single Channel you wouldn't

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be able to populate both both Channels with two dims okay yeah so where did

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that come from it's really weird it's really good that it runs in dual Channel

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because if you have onboard Graphics you're using your system memory as your

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vram and slow vram is a killer for

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gaming performance so this thing would be way worserer than we thought it

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was oh are we not getting 6,400 though I

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don't think so hey hey hey oh but maybe it just

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rebooted a couple times and went back no cuz it would have prompted us to go into the BIOS I think we got full memory

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speed though it's worth noting that that is as much to do with the integrated

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memory controller on your CPU and your board layout as it is to do with your

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memory sticks so 6,400 megat transfers

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per second let's go this SSD is running at 100% usage just booting up Windows oh

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my God I want to know how many PCIe lanes my GPU is getting not that I think

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it actually needs a ton of them but it will tell us if we wanted to put a more

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powerful GPU in here whether it would be bottlenecked and the answer is PCIe Gen

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4x8 at by4 is that a power saving thing

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or is it actually only getting four lanes by the way this mouse is

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intolerable oh really let's give it a

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chance oh yeah put it on this quality

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you know what the desk pad's actually helping a fair bit the included mouse

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pad has some really high contrast lines on it and cheap sensors can struggle to

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track across high contrast lines we don't even have any m.2 drives installed

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no so it's not like we're using up all the PCI lane somewhere else I think this

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thing only runs at by4 unless this Arc

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GPU only has a by4 interface does it I

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thought that's possible by it's the GPU that's by eight

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running it by four ah wow so it wasn't

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reporting the link speed and the active link speed it's reporting the capability

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of the GPU and what the active link speed is wow that sucks I'm sorry little

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buddy so I haven't actually used HW info for this very much I usually use GPU I

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don't know why I didn't just download that but anyway we figured it out I can see why people don't like the fan on

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this GPU I know I have firmar running but still now that our system's up and

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running it's time to put Grover's black hole build to the test with some

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famously review bombed games starting with Team Fortress 2 why are they mad at

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Val for Team Fortress there a Bots there's a bot issue where you any game

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you join you just instantly start getting sniped and I just SP it's still

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that yes cool how old is this game now like 15 years

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old7 17 years old good you'll get old

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too what you're in Secure mode what does

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that mean oh uh did seem just crash what is

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happening right now what is it's almost like we built a bad computer on purpose

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yeah blue screen I saw it on that one

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what yeah no way yeah it went I saw a

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blue screen appear in the capture I'm going to try one more time

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sure I'm going to try one more time not currently connected to the TF game

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coordinator service please try again

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let's turn the RAM down okay interesting

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we turned the RAM back to J deck speeds and immediately I was able to queue for

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a casual game immediately I really hate

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wearing these they're really really uncomfortable also the volume Wheels

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like backwards instead of bringing it towards yourself to turn it up yeah you

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push away to turn it up huh who does that what is happening right now I guess

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let's try a different like join a different game I can't interact with the

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game window or like I can't bring it back to focus should we just move on to

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another game to another game the game runs whatever we can't see the FPS but

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it's getting lots of FPS it's an ancient game our next one is Kerbal Space

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Program 2 Early Access

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which I know about this controversy

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basically they launched Early Access for the sequel to Kerbal Space Program and

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then the developer was shut down which

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happens sometimes you know business decision except you can totally still buy this

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game it's not done it's never going to

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be done no don't do that don't set it to

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high no oh okay medium uh low is

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hard got it I've never actually played kbal

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NE oh this really doesn't look that good

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for what kind of frame rate it's running at look at these trees I have

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absolutely no idea what I'm doing okay this seems like something yeah hey we're

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about 40 frames oh okay fuel tank okay cool okay nice sure another fuel tank

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lots of fuel all right okay let's see what happens let's launch it

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woo nine frames a second baby let's go

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you're going to space Oh Oh Our parachute is deployed already we are we

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are rocketing into our parachute oh

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God it's glorious at a glorious 10

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frames per second like you'd think it would run out of fuel oh yeah no we're

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almost out of fuel we go the crash is imminent this is so slow all right I

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think I've seen it yeah I don't think the crash will be spectacular anyway

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last up hell divers 2 30 frames per second I'm getting 30 frames per second

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you get 30 look to be I'm not saying it looks great I'm just saying that's

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definitely 30 frames per second but let's let's let's get you on a planet

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and see what happens

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okay it doesn't look terrible for all low honestly man low on Modern games

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looks not bad all right I'm a hell diver

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look at me diving I'm diving to hell we're running at Native render scale hey

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that's hey 310 might not be as bad as we thought it was that being said do you

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want to know the price of this whole system how much should we pay $1,025

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just for the tower for that price you

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can get a much better system with like a 7600 and like a 6600 GPU uh you are way

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better spending your money elsewhere yeah this is a terrible value yeah you

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know what I want to know would we be having a better gaming experience if we

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didn't buy the ark 310 at all oh I'm curious about that too we should try our

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onboard Graphics let's do it uh uh roll

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oh I think you might have missed it but uh that was weird I don't know if we're

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going to be gaming on this GPU well first I disabled the AR Windows and we

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moved the HDMI over and the system hard rebooted then we booted up just now and

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the screen came up with the Asus BIOS splash screen except there was like

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green lines everywhere if only there was some way we could have predicted that

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this would happen you know I've always wondered like who's buying these

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low-rated parts who is our hypothetical

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Grover like obviously you're budget conscious but you're anxious about the

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risk of buying used computer parts um maybe you shop based on Word of Mouth or

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brand name rather than like looking at

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reviews like I get it reviews can be manipulated

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so maybe you don't trust them which is fair enough especially with overly

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positive reviews but I think it's clear from this exercise that if you ignore

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online reviews completely you do so at

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your peril bottom line there are many reasons why a product might get a low

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review score and After experiencing all of them for myself it's safe to say say

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listen to the people who bought it before you did and it's safe to say

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