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did happen no no the samsung galaxy s9 happened nope nothing happened that
happened um what else do we have the ryzen 7 2700x is rumored to may have
maybe be happening at some point um
okay i think this is sort of a big deal this is back to the samsung galaxy s9 uh
word on the street is that samsung might be nerfing the exynos version of the
phone so that it's not too much better than the snapdragon 845 version
that's so as to upset their customers okay so that's pretty that's pretty
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so this was posted by edward the weeb
on the forum thanks for that edward there's the
unnecessarily loud laugh tile
uh the original article is from wccf tech AMD's second generation ryzen 7
2700 rumored to be eight core 12 excuse
me eight core 16 thread 3.7 gigahertz base up to 4.2 gigahertz
boost with xfr so what this tells us is that um
second generation ryzen is looking like a pretty small
sort of tweak you know ironing out a couple wrinkles you know don't expect
all of a sudden to be getting you know 48 core versions that are clocked at
five gigahertz or anything like that evolutionary rather than revolutionary
but um let's see 16 megs level three cash four
meg's level
i'd be surprised if it does to be perfectly honest is this gonna be priced
above then or do you think they're just gonna i think they're gonna slot these
in above the existing ones here you can see the spec sheet comparison
so there's the 1700x here's the replacement 2700x so we're going down to
12 nanometer which gets us anywhere from 200 to 300 megahertz uh higher clock
speeds um at the same TDP
one year later so i mean
okay i can see some people being disappointed
because verizon was like i forget what AMD was quoting
it was like 40 or like
60 percent better than their previous generation but
that's not fair that was because AMD actually hadn't really done a whole lot
in the last four to five years leading up to it
and so as much as it's easy to harp on Intel for these
incremental generational improvements in CPU
performance now we're seeing that when all AMD has
to work with is a very small
manufacturing process shrink
it's really hard to do those generational leaps in performance the
way that they did way back in the day like when AMD went
from the barton core to uh sledgehammer
clawhammer i think were the first were those the first f164s within minutes of
announcing oh okay well that's fun um
and like when Intel went from the net burst family up to conroe
so that doesn't really happen that often anymore and it's funny now that i think
about it when Intel did it way back when that was
because they had been not necessarily sitting on ass for a few
years but they had been uh barking up the wrong tree for a few years that's
for sure yeah so hmm i wonder how long it has been since
we've seen like a massive improvement like where could we find the last one
maybe it would be athlon 64.
on AMD's side or i mean in general yeah no just in general the last time we saw
a really big generational improvement with that said conroe to Intel's
integrated memory controller was a pretty big leap too because we went no
because they introduced quad core first hard to say in terms of i know i know it
wasn't in a lot of different ways but in terms of like
uh customer understanding and usability
which is a weird thing largely due to naming but uh sandy bridge you think so
i think a lot of people kind of got it more
so you know what i'm going to pick my moment for me the last the biggest CPU
improvement in performance was not actually
barton to clawhammer for me the biggest difference i saw was from um yeah again
my point is not just performance stuff like i felt like
the community like paying attention to forums and stuff like that i felt like
people understood more with that one because
the product naming scheme i think made more sense for a lot of people so i
think it was winchester was the last
single core no venice might have been san diego oh
crap which one was it uh athlon 64 models
apparently something wrong with the camera something looks okay to me
hello yeah okay um the camera is tilted what
yeah okay so i oh no no it's uh it's not centered
yeah the the thing is yeah whatever yes doesn't matter yeah yeah i'm over it um
also there's some moire in your sweater if we want to get really you know upset
about little things that we don't worry about on the lan show um so for me the
big one was going from single core athlon 64 to i think it was the toledo
core going to dual core athlon 64. because that was
it wasn't a big improvement for gaming because back then what are they
sorry just keep going i'll be back
i can't do it myself okay
oh max is here max is coming to save us
because it wasn't a big improvement for gaming you got to remember that games
did not benefit from dual core cpus back
in those days but what it was was a huge improvement
to the gaming experience if you had things running in the background and it
was a huge improvement to really the experience of doing anything
at the same time that was when multitasking yeah yeah yeah really happened for me yeah
um and that's a really big deal especially in terms of user experience
yep yeah and it's like this it's the same way and you know the funny thing is
i remember arguing on forums about dual core
back in the day because people who
didn't see the bigger picture who just saw the benchmarks on whatever
the site they preferred was and saw that in all their favorite games it didn't
make a difference those people would come out and say you're paying literally twice as much
for literally twice as many CPU cores and it doesn't make any difference
and it's the same argument that i would have with people
when ssds were first starting to gain popularity
where they'd go well the benchmarks don't indicate a significant difference
in performance other than like boot time
and um they're very low capacity feels
amazing but it feels really different and that's what it was like then yeah
and honestly since since the first good ssds so like back when Intel launched
the x25m i haven't really had that experience again
what was the first i'm not going to google i was just asking you you probably know what was the first
generation that Intel introduced k for their unlockable skus i believe it was
the 2600k yeah yeah so this is kind of no no no
and back then the uh so the 875k
was uh yeah yeah yeah linfield
midfield yeah linfield so linfield was architecturally the same as bloomfield
which was the high-end socket 1366 platform
um i think it'd be fair to say that sandy bridge popularized that though
yeah so that was a big difference for you i think so hmm interesting i found
on on forums and discussing with my friends and all this kind of stuff
people understood it a lot more when sandy bridge came around and they
changed the number of schemes of things there's easier to understand like i5 i7
really 2600k 2500k
k non k we're taking this to a straw poll
because it could be my little bubble i don't know i want to know
okay so there's a couple of angles to this but but i'll i'll get into it
okay core i x
more or less confusing than before and to be clear
if you want to understand the entire stack it might even be slightly more
confusing but if you're like is this one better or worse
it's it's kind of easy okay guys hit that straw poll i've got that in the
twitch chat hit the straw poll so okay so here's the problem
within a generation and within a product family remembering
that laptop product family is not the same as desktop product family and not
the same as um you know enterprise
product family then i i i can see
core i3 core i5 core i7 being simpler to understand
however from generation to generation i would argue when it got way worse i'm
just saying with that generation that brought people into understanding yeah
and i feel like a lot of people held on after that but yes it got messy it was
really confusing i mean nowadays you'll see posts on craigslist where people are
just saying core i7 pc yeah you know 300 or whatever
but we're way beyond we're not in sandy bridge generation anymore okay
okay and now and now i think understanding has gone up as a whole
so you see that and you go i know that's bs and then you look into it i think the
understand and i know people are interested wow this is like 50 50.
i don't remember the last time i saw our community this evenly split
that's crazy
i i think it i think sandy bridge brought the understanding of the entire
industry as a community up
and i think people held on whether this is people saying is it confusing in
general now well it's confusing now now absolutely um
but i think like the knowledge base as a community has gone up okay and you can
argue like oh well i was on overclock.net back in 2003 and we
understood way more back then sure yeah definitely ocn is not a good
sample to pick from though yeah because you're all hardcore you guys are not
representative of the general population all the forum dudes
yeah probably knew what was going on yeah that's not who i'm talking about i'm
going a little bit i mean forums as in like gaming forums and stuff not like
overclocking computer hardware forums so this is an interesting point on a cage
in twitch chat said something kind of insightful LTT viewers are more
technical in general so if 50 of us see it as more confusing regular people have
no hope i don't think that's but what's interesting
where i'm going with this is think about it this way i think
regular people who go yeah i get it i3 is less than i5
is less than i7 would actually vote less confusing yes
even if they didn't know it but they were really
confused or are totally wrong
right definitely yeah so which is what i liked about sandy
bridge and they just over years of different launches and
releases okay so this is interesting this is a really good point from uh nfsm
654. it's with sandy bridge
some of the core i5s were dual core with onboard graphics so this was before
Intel standardized on onboard graphics being on everything because they were
still building the igpu on the package
but not onto the die yet so core chips didn't have enough room
for onboard graphics and the dual cores did meaning that intercompatibility on
motherboards was actually quite confusing
so i still maintain i think the overall
knowledge base of the community went up and some of that's definitely
boiled into okay there was a really weird naming change that just happened
what's going on sorry did i say sandy bridge linfield i'm sorry linfield
linfield um i think a lot of it was what's going on and people talking about
the differences between different processors and what threads are and all
of this other kind of stuff um and like the differences between
threads and cores a lot of these conversations started around the sandy
bridge time and a lot of people actually cared about processor specs
and now it's kind of a mess
and a lot of people are interested in cpus but the more recent interest in
cpus has been hey there's competition now what's better to explain to me
what's better and that's because AMD i like AMD um
i finally have something to upgrade to yeah
so it's not i'm not necessarily saying that it was a good thing i'm not saying
i'm just saying that the the i think the knowledge base as a whole increased at
that time right and i like that
all right let's move on to i don't know i don't care anymore uh
let's move on to the galaxy s9 so this was posted in the forum by
d13h4rd2livee
die hard to live in the very worst leet speak of all
and there's no spaces yeah
but anyway you noticed that edouard the weeb had uh your
like cat ear long purple hair photo
thing that was his avatar no no i did
not it was all right so the original article here is from techcrunch.com
uh with the galaxy their headline is with the galaxy s9 samsung put the
fingerprint sensor where it belongs and i guess that's probably the headline because there isn't a whole lot else to
say about it i actually missed my briefing today that i was supposed to
attend oh no i still don't have a device how will
we know what its specs and stuff are but fortunately um
sort of news flash for the canadian pr
team the rest of the world is a thing
and the internet is wow the internet whoa
and so i can just read about this stuff on other publications websites that's
amazing where they already know this stuff because they already had their
briefings like a week ago not that i'm salty or upset or anything
it's just that it's like the internet being in canada is like a
big like a big dick slap sometimes
you don't matter as much yeah your population is literally one tenth
of the us less than the state of california
you know what we don't give a spit
anyway it's got the best dxo mark rating
ever of 99 though it should be cl it
should be uh noted that the pixel 2 is at 98 and the iphone 10 is at 97. so we
really are splitting hairs at this point uh looks pretty similar to last gen but
better camera um as i just mentioned snapdragon 845 in the us and china and
then exynos whatever the crap it is something nine something something um
elsewhere uh they moved the fingerprint sensor to a more usable spot i think i
already said that they're gonna have animojis
um though to be clear they're not normal
emojis like apples they're more like we me or bitmoji do you remember me on the
nintendo wii well i don't know probably the biggest
nintendo fanboy you know did they have it on the wii u yeah wait did you have a
wii you had a wii yeah yeah okay nevermind i play more wii now than i did when it
launched it's still great actually there's yeah i only play wii sports
yeah my son loves wii sport wii sports is amazing i actually i interrupt this
very compelling news about the samsung galaxy s9 to bring you
um a personal confession um something that is actually really hard for me to
talk about it's it's it's actually related to the nintendo wii
so uh as some of you probably know my son is about five and uh wow he's almost
six holy crap wait did he beat you at something shut up okay let me just
i need to ease myself into this okay
so my son is almost six and
could you maybe enjoy this a little less
i'm so excited sorry continue
my son is almost sick shut up just keep going just chill out i
believe in you so my son is almost six and um he's been
playing we we actually created him ephraim when he was like three and a
half i was like trying to see if like the stick wiggling was simple enough
that he could it wasn't he wasn't he wasn't ready yet but over probably the
last year or so he's gotten to the point where he
actually uses the wii more than the vive which is
depressing for a whole other set of reasons yeah
um but but he's gotten to the point where he's played enough wii sports
that first like he would he was like a pro in wii tennis right you know how you
can play against the computer and you get over a thousand skill level and
you're a pro at tennis in the tennis one um that's not uh the tennis one's pretty
easy um and but he got to the point where he was not just a pro but he had a
skill level of like 1650 or something which was more than mine mine was 1400
and something but the reason that my skill level wasn't very high was
i never played single player i would always play against my wife or like
my sister-in-law because the last time i used the wii was when i still lived with
my wife's parents so it was like the family console and
we'd like tool around on sunday night playing wii sports or whatever yeah okay
so so i was quite a bit better than my skill level would indicate so he would
like he would go all like five-year-old kind of sulky
my skill level's higher but you still beat me
like without without even using like the cheap return
whenever you miss a power smash there's a cheap return that if you time it's not
even that hard to time but it's ungettable on both the forehand and the
backhand if they don't manage to power serve um
and so i would beat him like without even using that
then and he'd complain he'd be whining about
it then like a couple months later i'm playing against him
and he takes a set and i'm just like
ah okay like i wasn't really paying attention i
was holding the baby in the other hand and i was like oh shoot well okay um
darling can you get down i gotta i gotta beat your brother at wii tennis um
then he takes another set and i go
what so i'm like okay full-on cheap mode now
so i'm i'm doing cheap returns like ungettable returns i'm power serving
everything to him and i win it
okay so i take i take three sets in a row and he's like oh i almost beat you
literally like two weeks later he he sweeps me
and i'm like is this petty
you know what i don't care rematch i asked for i asked my five-year-old son
for a rematch
he beats me again three straight
three straight again
oh i don't even feel bad about him kicking my ass at wii boxing because we
boxing is quite frankly just who can flail the best and i'll like i'll play
against him and i'll like try and time punches and it's just like
come on it's better to flail like it's actually better to flail and it's so
funny the way he plays it is so funny i have a video of him doing
this that i'm saving for his wedding but instead of just like going like this
he gets his whole body going and it's just like
so the kid the kid will like
he'll come out of playing a couple games of wii boxing like drenched i'm like wow
this is great because the whole idea behind the wii
was that it was more physical yeah yeah until like
jackasses like me figured out that they could play twilight princess like this
yeah you know
and like yeah i'm still joystick waggling or whatever but i'm not i'm not
moving yeah yeah um so i can still kick his butt at golf
i can still crush him at bowling actually almost got a perfect game
i missed one pin on the first one which made me feel a lot better than all
strikes through to the end and then i missed one pin on the end so i'm actually really glad i missed that one
pin at the beginning because otherwise that one at the end would have destroyed
me as a person yeah we use sports club um oh oh is
there a wii u one yeah okay cool maybe i should get a wii u it's probably cheap
yeah and then what's the what's the last game
oh the baseball baseball movie is just stupid like yeah he beat me at baseball
but like baseball is just a matter of like who luckily connects with a pitch
because as soon as a human is pitching you could just throw all the cheapest
garbage and it's like unhittable do you have the improved sensors i don't okay i
don't think wii sports is wii motion plus compatible though so i don't think it matters
the uh the wii u controllers have it built in yeah and they're the same size
as the default controllers okay which is kind of nice cool um and i believe all
wii u games work with it because it's the default controller yeah okay well
maybe maybe i'll get a wii u at some point but anyway
that was my confession it actually happened i was actually trying not just
trying already like i was i was hitting cheap shots that i knew he didn't know
about this is like playing like nhlpa 94
and doing wrap-arounds on the bottom yeah yeah yeah when someone else doesn't
know about it like that is to be fair that's how i was playing wrap rounds are
pretty easy to like pick up on if someone's doing it to you yeah yeah
dude man like i that's pretty rough yeah um what is the
number one game that would hurt for him to be better
than you at you know i'm not really that good at
anything um yeah like there's there's games where i
just really wouldn't expect him to ever be better than me like i don't think
he'll ever be better at a side scroller just because that genre is not really
popular like like modern side-scrollers what like trine like that's not a
yeah not so much like there's some like really niche like ultra hardcore yeah
like you could argue the super meat boy is a modern ish side scroller but even
that it's like years old and and like it's a dying it's it's it was like a
yeah it was like the you like press down on the chest of the corpse and it's like
like it's not breathing anymore it's just like a last last gasp so to speak um
cop head doesn't no like so yeah i wouldn't yeah cuphead's not that's not
it's not super mario world yeah it's more advanced than that there's
more there's a lot more to it so if he were to beat me like if he were to be
better than me at like super mario world i'd feel pretty
devastated but i don't expect that to happen it would be kind of like it would
be kind of like me being better at shuffleboard than my grandparents like
yeah if i put enough time into it i could probably do it but i wouldn't care
yeah yeah yeah yeah like i'd be concerned about him
so badminton no i fully expect him to be better at me
than better than me at badminton i am planning to be when do you think
that will happen i'm going to be paying like 75 an hour for badminton coaching
for him within the next few months oh like he is going prodigy level he's
going to the best badminton facility in canada
he is going to be it's here actually arguably
there's been there's been more national level players but there are other
other places have done well too they've had they've had good products as well um
and then if he's good enough i would happily pay for him to train overseas if
it comes to that so as far as i'm concerned if he is not
beating me at badminton by the time he's about 11 or 12 then we need to
re-evaluate because i'm not that good
so is he's into it yeah he likes it yeah
yeah because you've already brought him like no he's already i wanted to make times a week i knew that i wanted to get
that out of you so twitch chat knows that you're not just being with like
no not kind of dad yeah he's already playing a couple times a week he likes
it yeah i also fully expect him to be better at martial arts than me although
by the time he by the time he gets like a
huh oh shoot this is going to happen sooner than i had sort of thought about but by
the time he hits like 9 or 10 and he hits sort of like red brown belt i'm probably gonna have
to try and get back into it so i don't get passed too quickly there but yeah i
i fully expect him to be better than me at everything if he's not then i failed as a parent because that's your job
can i be like a boss along the way a boss yeah
i think he's probably gonna be quite a bit smaller than you for ever
have you seen his mother but he'll be more responsible he'll be more skilled
he'll be like the light character that you choose on the phone that's the funny
thing about that is um there's a reason
that like the ufc doesn't have heavyweights fight
lightweights okay chun li wouldn't actually stand a
chance against blanca but the little dude that teaches me jiu
jitsu can kick my butt
so that's the thing okay eventually i'll get with that said if
you weren't jiu-jitsu and you just went for a football tackle
yeah does that still go down that way probably not
he's a very nice guy okay
so within the constraints of the sport you get your butt kicked but yeah
yeah um speaking of within the constraints of
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uh let's start with synergy two if you have two computers or more
and you have one desk synergy two is the way to go it's a
software based mouse and keyboard sharing solution that works on Windows
mac and Linux computers is that out on Floatplane yet because that is a sick
video do you know about this yet no we did a showcase piece for synergy
and we were kind of sitting around going like
okay how do we how do we do this yeah there is a there is an export for
this i'm just going to pull it up i don't think it's actually live on Floatplane yet but i'm going to pull
this up because it's really cool i just want to show the demo here uh but we
were sitting around going you know how do we how do we do a video for synergy
um that's not just a shill piece that's like actually cool and we're like
oh i don't know maybe we could just do a shill piece and then it might actually
be cool and it worked out really well check this out
um
okay that ended up being a little a little more dramatic than i hoped i'm
just going to skip ahead to okay check this check check this out
so they're all firing up that's Windows 7
uh os 10 or macOS sorry Windows 10 and
Linux and then what i can do with this monitor
this is that lg monitor that's cool right that's cool and then you can
switch full screen with the remote for the monitor so i was using the remote
there you can just go uh you can get out of picture by picture
and go full screen to any one of them in 4k 60
and then you can press another button to go back
to your tile setup cool right that is pretty cool
so you can effectively be using four different operating system workstations
at once and switch between full screen and
having all of them and then when they're all on so there's a toggle for synergy
too that they're adding or they've they'll have either added it by the time
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should we get back to the galaxy s9 do we even care
960 FPS slo-mo that's cool hd 0.2.2
seconds so probably end trigger i guess i'm hoping so oh instead of trying to
time your button press it will apparently ai tried to detect where the
action is in the clip and apply slow-mo to that part
yeah i guess at 0.2 seconds you wouldn't even have time for end trigger
okay we'll see this is interesting so the original
article here is from a non-tech i was just browsing through and i don't really
know how this wasn't bigger news
i mean anantech called it awkward first results
that's one way of putting it but in a nutshell
it'll be either exynos 9810 or snapdragon 845 and if we go down
what's the final clock speed that they'll use blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah active blah blah blah memory latency
etc etc okay
big little design here we go here we go
so geekbench 4 single core performance
snapdragon 845 got absolutely
crushed by the 9810
how very interesting
uh last generation etc etc okay again uh
oh wait that's uh still geekbench for us it splits it out pc mark work 2.0
so the 9810 uh does not crush the snapdragon 845 here
where is it yup there snapdragon 845 is right up on the top but basically
oh thank you for that okay what seems very clear something's
wrong oh no oh
luke was plugging in my power did i actually not make it almost got it by
like milliseconds i almost got it oh man
oh that was great i know it's fine they can't see it um
okay oh man okay so clearly there's something
kind of wrong and basically the writer checked in with
samsung here we go i did get confirmation okay here we go
samsung spokesman confirmed that the demo unit
was running special firmware for mobile world conference so these results
because you can clearly see they're totally bunged up because the pc mark
score has the um exynos 9810 getting creamed by even the
last generation exynos yeah um last generation snapdragon
and of course current generation snapdragon so clearly something's wrong
here so confirmation that the demo units were running a special firmware and they
might not be optimized uh he's having a hard time believing they
would so drastically limit the performance of the device for show units honestly i don't find that that hard to
believe all kinds of games get played with
phone firmware for shows and even for reviewers but check this out
did get confirmation that samsung is planning to tune down the exynos variant
to match snapdragon performance
wow so i'm actually not sure how that wasn't bigger news because i can see
a lot of different ways that people can get upset about this and i can't see a
lot of ways where people wouldn't be a little bit upset about this
so the two ways i can see people being upset upset number one
would be if i got a snapdragon 845 galaxy s9 because there's always
controversy there yeah and with apple it was even so what was it a10 was the
first one they did it on where they dual sourced from tsmc and and then one of
them was better than they forget yeah one of them was arguably
sometimes better than the other and it was mostly
in terms of battery life where people were getting upset because one of them was a little bit more power efficient
but it was close enough i think it was within five percent like it was close
enough that you were also playing around with the variations in
battery capacity at that point um
so i can see people being upset about getting the perceived trashier chip the
other thing i could see people being upset about is if you're in the european
or asian market and you've got an exynos 8895 getting having it be
nerfed and see this is probably one of those situations yo what's up samsung
this is probably one of those situations where samsung realized that this these
problems could happen so they decided to try to quietly make
them the same so that people wouldn't argue which you know from a certain standpoint
i kind of understand they're like we just don't want people to freak out
so if we make everything the same then it's great but then people are going to freak out because then they should have
gotten an advantage is this sound
is this samsung kind of going
well you know the canadian region probably won't care
about this phone until such time as it's available
through canadian carriers so let's just not bother briefing them like is this
them going you know what you know outside of the u.s americans probably
don't read you know non-american news outlets so they're probably not going to
like look that closely at the exynos version so like as long as we see all the us
outlets with snapdragon ones should be fine like are they is this them going
okay as long as we keep it contained within a region then no one will figure
this out and you know the mainstream consumer probably wouldn't
is that what's happening here
wow um i think okay so i think it's been proven many
many many times that nerds are going to figure it out
mainstream consumer no mainstream consumer is not going to care there's an
iterative number they're going to see it's the s9 and they'll want it if
they're getting a new phone for whatever reason okay i've got a lot of people
asking this and we really need to we really need to address it uh i can't
find the first person who asked it but let's um
let's go down to this one uh who was it
ah man something something okay whatever the
question is why here we go uh der fuhrer123 oh
seriously why did i read that why doesn't samsung use exynos in the
u.s and china and then another person asked why does
samsung a not a designer and fabricator of
mobile cpus not used there why do they use qualcomm cpus
in their phones and the answer is actually
a little more uh interesting than you might at first
think um there was a different word i was looking for and i'm complicated no it
was like delicate but it wasn't delicate it was a little more
subtle a little more whatever i forget
so the reason oh so radio compatibility is actually
one factor um but
samsung could probably figure out how to support more bands with their chipset if
they really pretty sure that wanted to hard enough um
but one nuanced nuanced thank you that's the no that was the chat thank you chat
nuances i just i read it in channels like absolutely so there are business
reasons for doing it so first of all within samsung's different business
units like for example their fabrication unit that also as you guys probably know
builds RAM or nand flash or even processors for
competitors within samsung's different business
units i have it on fairly good authority that samsung
unit a won't actually get a discount compared to the open market from samsung
unit b so if samsung mobile wants to buy nand
flash for their phones for storage they don't get like a discount compared to if
apple were buying it it's all down to that business unit the the fabrication
business unit needing to make the best profits they can and negotiating deals
based on volume based on capacity based on all the things that they would
normally do so there's one reason why samsung mobile might not be married to
exynos chips reason number two
is that building a CPU is really hard
every time look at snapdragon 810 even qualcomm who
has been other than apple basically the undisputed leader
for a lot of the last few years can
really screw it up sometimes so if samsung were to just say haha for
our note and s lineup we are not going
to use your top tier chips we're going to stop marketing qualcomm
technology being good we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna burn this bridge
because we can make our own cpus
if samsung were to do that and then flub
up a generation or two generations of
chips they could put their galaxy s or
no products at a significant disadvantage compared to the lg's and
htc's of the world guys who
didn't invest in that fabrication technology but also
aren't taking that risk so samsung is dual sourcing not just to make up fabric
fab capacity which as far as we can tell is why apple does it also to play the
different fabricators against each other um
oh yeah that's another reason so that they can play samsung's own business
unit against uh external ones um
where was i going with this right so there's also a business reason
for dual sourcing not just to make up fab capacity but also to hedge your bets
so samsung has the ability to ramp up and do exynos in more regions if
you know qualcomm ships a dud again but they can also cover for their own dud in
the event that qualcomm's technology is significant that's a huge one and
samsung they can't really okay i'm 100 certain they can afford it but i'm going
to say in this immediate apparently they're also legally required to use
their tips and their phones it's a 25 year old agreement
weird so that's another one uh but but
having another big launch failure would be really bad this close to their phone
bombs remember too samsung could also just use qualcomm chips in their lower
end stuff it's not like samsung doesn't have a bazillion models of phones yeah
um but why they might do it on within a single model there's a lot of reasons so
there's that and then there's all the other stuff that we're talking about as
well all right
apparently also qualcomm cdma patent and licensing so until cdma goes away
they'll just basically be forced to but with all of that said i have an exynos
galaxy s8 it works fine in the states but it just might not work on all
carriers so it wouldn't work on sprint um who else is still cdma cdma will be
going away sometime in the next little bit it can't be that many carriers
though i don't think it's that mean i don't know who uses cdma still who in
canada uh bell did until recently i
don't know if they do anymore they might be gsm now
yeah i don't i don't pay that close attention so 18
really they're all still using it spring verizon
and u.s cellular i didn't know verizon was still using cdma at t and t mobile are gsm
fun according to google anyway and then apparently bell mobility in
ontario quebec is still cdma
tell us the cdma here there you go interesting but we don't know
necessarily that they're only using it yeah um
so yeah again i don't pay that close attention
to that stuff because i'm just not that big of a cell
phone nerd if i'm going to be honest with you guys uh what else do we have for news oh
i don't know i just got dropped out of the dock for no reason happens once a
show really bad timing i don't know why it
does that perfect uh celebrate is now
advertising they can break the security of iOS 11 including the iphone 10.
they're pretty cheap too original article is from forbes
do you have to have the phone physically in their possession yep so you'd have to
ship it to them and apparently it can cost as little as fifteen hundred
dollars per unlock their service can determine or disable determine or
disable that's a big difference actually because determining if you get someone's
phone temporarily when they lost it and you ship it off and get their pin and
then get it back and get whatever you want and then be like oh my god i found your phone um yeah not great uh yeah
they can determine or disable the pin pattern password screen locks or
passcodes on the latest apple iOS and google Android devices
yeah brutal so uh we have to take this with the
claim of with a grain of salt because um celebrates business is
breaking security of devices for like forensic data analysis
um so you know they might just be looking for some free press
but it seems like it would be sort of a bad move
to put out something that's designed to get you a bunch of free press and then
anytime anyone contacts you about it you can't actually do it yeah
um so they haven't even publicly announced
it but apparently they're advertising the capability to their customers so that sounds pretty credible yeah
it can determine or disable the pin the pattern the password screen locks or
passcodes on the latest devices wow
wow wow pretty brutal not a fan of this really
that's pretty much it actually is there like anything else that happened this week that like is super important
we don't have anything else in the dock because james has been busy on a really
cool project have you even seen this yet no like you're so out of touch these
days wow so we built um we've lost your
son in tennis
huh you know what tell you what why don't we play i'll
tell you i'll lose but i'm down i'm down fine i'll get wrecked but it sounds
entertaining anyway it's a cool project so i was kind of inspired by um
the tape deck that we have in our house for some reason and you know how
you you used to be you pressed like a physical button like a mechanical button
to kind of uh to switch things yeah yeah so i was like you know what would be
really cool a gaming setup where you've got like a tactile button for switching
between your different devices different devices yeah
so because you know pc gaming is not the only kind of game yeah i got you so
james and Anthony collaborated we didn't actually end up with as cool buttons as
i'd hoped they're like vandal resistant switches unfortunately but but what is
cool is that i wanted to work like an RGB element into it so they built a desk not
quite scratch built but like used the ikea desk builder then modified it quite
heavily that has a bunch of circuitry in the top including an arduino um
and an HDMI switcher so that what you can do is there's three
RGB color-coded lights on the front for the three gaming systems that are in
shelves working their way down along down one side yeah and then when you so
when you press the red one it does the top and then the RGB lighting in the drawer
illuminates and the input switches on your monitor this legit sounds like a
sellable so you're on your pc thing then you press the second button the RGB
lighting illuminates matching the button the middle one and you switch to your
xbox press the third one you switch to your playstation 4 pro that's really cool
pretty cool right you guys should figure out how to sell this as a kit
uh it's kind of janky still it would require significant
uh further development to make it ready for prime time that'd be so cool though
but you know we okay so we know a lot of other guys out there have been doing
like setups for a while yeah and so for us you know we we've had some ideas for
setups like you saw the projector one right with the projector built into the
desk that was very cool yeah so we've had some ideas for setups but like we
really wanted to find a way to make sure that what we're doing is different from
what anyone else is doing so that was where the idea of
projector built into your desk or like a
physical button to switch inputs between your different gaming systems came from
and i really like it i think this is something that we're going to continue
to do and uh you know i'd love to see people's ideas if you want to post them
on the forum i am actually fairly active over there yeah i don't post a lot but i
do read a lot yeah um yeah
yeah i really i'm really happy with it um
all right so i think that's pretty much it
cool we have a ton of people um
no yeah viewing too we've got like 6 000 viewers and we've got a bunch of people
cheering oh this is a new thing
oh yeah so it used to just show the top
cheer like ever yeah now it shows the
weekly top cheers and it like totals their cheers so like this dude i'm a
broke dude who's hilarious hilariously number one cheerer right now
you're broke yeah then maybe you stop that um if he talks in chat if any of
these top three talk in chat they have a little medal next to the name and his
will show one his will show a two and b silver his or show three and b bronze
and then the one guys is gold got it okay
neat it's a new thing oh apparently there was switch see there there look oh
i'm a broke dude and it shows one right next to him on a gold medal oh oh no
there was other news uh the xbox one x and the xbox one s are getting 1440p
support so that's dope
uh what would that already be there no they
supported 1080 and 4k oh so now if you don't care about 4k which you probably
shouldn't because you're gaming on a tv um oh so you can tell it oh okay okay
okay okay cool right i see what you mean now that's very cool actually yeah okay
i'm totally on board now apparently at first i was like what the heck apparently there was nintendo switch
news i don't know what it was what uh
uh uh uh no i don't know oh okay you can use a
playstation 4 controller that's an article that i saw earlier that i
thought was kind of neat anyway i think the 1s and the 1x supporting 1440p is a
way bigger deal because if you use a console at like in a dorm or whatever
you probably don't have a 4k tv you probably don't have a tv at all you
probably have your desk which if you're smart has like a big monitor
so you can use it as a monitor and as a tv if you're smart and you're a baller
although they're not that expensive these days especially like compared to a tv anyway the point is a big monitor
will probably be 1440p if you don't want to spend a whole bunch of money for 4k
and if you get like university experience was anything if there's big
screens in dorms at all uh they're probably tvs and they're
probably real old right okay so fine if
you're a baller student you can get one of those korean 1440p monitors on ebay
you can hook that up to your pc and now to your xbox and you can get better
image quality we know about the github thing github got nailed by a massive
ddos and they recovered real quick good job github there we go yeah it was huge
though it's a gigantic ddos but yeah they recovered quite quickly
good job github see you again next week saying that time same bad channel bye
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