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welcome to the W show guys the oh we

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apparently dropped a frame but then it doesn't detected up there so we're going

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to go ahead and hope that everything's okay welcome to the W show guys the week

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where you watch us talk about the technical difficulties that occurred

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before the I don't know the show I've been off for like 3 weeks like no like

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not vacation because I clearly haven't had a vacation like the marks under my

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eyes and yours too for that matter uh but I mean like not not on like not

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on fire we've got a great show for you guys today though so AMD mantle is

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becoming a bigger and bigger deal pretty much by the day for those of you who

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aren't familiar mantle is AMD's new API that seeks to well pretty much take the

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place of direct deck and open well not take the place but

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augment and by augment I mean don't use the other one use this new one it's

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better um so we're going to have Ryan shroud on to talk about that actually

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very shortly as soon as we can get in touch with them do you even have a username for him like did you send him

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the login details no okay well let's send those over to him worst case

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scenario I think I have him in my phone so I can call him just be like yo

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talk you you good to go oh I

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don't okay um so anyway let's we we'll

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get that rolling as soon as we can and then uh the riaa and MPAA are

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introducing a new ele well are trying to introduce a new Elementary School

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curriculum that would have students in the United States learn about the

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dangers of piracy so that's something

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that they're lobbying for right now but hasn't necessarily been implemented yet

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with teachers having some fairly reasonable objections to it fairly

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reasonable next up we've got lsi's new

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sandforce controller so for those of you who don't know LSI acquired sandforce

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some time ago that will enable truly Next Generation SSD performance and

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finally AMD news just keeps coming I mean good AMD news the 290 looks like it

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can be flashed to a 290x and we're even seeing reports of these cards being

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available pre flashed for people to just buy for cheaper which is extremely cool

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so without further Ado it's intro time and I have no idea how loud it is so

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this will be I can't monitor so let me

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let me actively change it here okay yes

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I'll I'll it'll be loud at the beginning so turn everything down for a second be

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ready yourself and

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going I don't know there it

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is okay good enough I think that's a it's not exactly

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where it's supposed to be but it's

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oh so apparently there's no sound on the intro which means I don't really have to

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did you upload the YouTube video did I upload the YouTube video saying that

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we're live yeah okay cool how come I'll just make it sure oh I I should probably

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make sure that it actually you know managed to make it especially with all

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the like awesomeness going on with YouTube lately and things just generally

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not working yeah yeah it's it's pushing to subscriber feeds right now so they'll

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start uh they'll start tuning in all right so uh I have no idea who's calling

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me from Toronto but now's not the time oh that's definitely I know who that is

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oh yeah I can't take that call right now so yeah I don't know you might want to

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you might want to get in touch with someone related to that person to maybe

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let them know that now's not a good time all right so let's what's up I don't

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have my phone so nope yeah you do this right here oh I do see like a boss all

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right so let's move on to our first topic here this is something that I

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suspect uh slick here hasn't done too much reading up on because it is like

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no don't worry you don't have to talk isn't it amazing it's kind of hilarious

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okay guys we are actually going to we're going to try to watch this together I

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hope that the volume's okay because this

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thing is epic beyond all belief this is

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ever Jane the virtual world of Jane Austin is a Kickstarter for an MMO that

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I mean I'm not even going to I'm not even going to color my my words here I'm

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just going to read from the site okay in

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the virtual world of Jane Austin it is not about kill or be killed but invite

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and be invited with gossip our weapon of

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choice so we're just going to watch A Brief snippet of the video here together

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if this is ever going to load because for some reason tethering is the slowest

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thing ever on this phone compared to the H I got my one back today and I'm super

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stoked to go back to it like all the

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stoked to go back to it did you guess

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did I what you bet okay sweet yeah don't worry we're we're on this we're like

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okay well whatever we can't watch this video cuz it's just not going to load

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because our Wi-Fi hotspot needs to just choke on a bag of uh uh dongers so

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basically okay get this guys so ever Jane is a virtual world that allows

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people to roleplay in Regency period England okay so our quests are derived

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from players actions and stories and we gossip rather than swords and Magic to

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demolish our enemies and Aid our friends so right now you can actually download a

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prototype so the Prototype includes the gossip and invitation system so you can

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use gossip and invitations to build your

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own um you know reputation and when you

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have a better reputation then presumably you can have if they reach some of their

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stretch goals you could have like you know a um uh hold on you go fishing yeah

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no no that's for the men not that I

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mean okay in their defense in the world of Jane

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Austin at that time that would have been a thing uh so hold on hold on uh oh oh

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okay so iterate okay here okay we're going to go back to this all right so

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iteration one is slothing system which

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is part of Gossip so you can find out who's gossiping about you you can write

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letters between characters iteration two gets dinner parties balls that's not the

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only thing about this that'll be balls and travel between Villages carriages

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and horses and iteration three adds hunting and sewing and upgrades gossip

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to use language parsing so there's card games and okay so stretch goals you can

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get estate planning with a $200,000 stretch goal um you can get Landscaping

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with a $250,000 stretch goal so they're going to add Landscaping to to the uh

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whatever this is and farming Yeah so basically I mean you

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know what I I don't know what to say

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about this that won't offend someone

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I think girl gamers deserve better I think that this is like trying to appeal

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to the most stereotypical girl gamer

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because you know what the Sims which is a notoriously you know cross-gendered

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not to say cross-gendered but um appealing to both genders game because

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it's role playing and you can it's it's it's light it's simulation okay this is

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not simulation this is like um this is

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like taking all the things that I think and like and if if it wasn't a female

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like like if it wasn't a female coming up with the idea I would have looked at

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this as like uh a cynical man trying to

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build a game for girls I think if they made bully

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but like more mild not like not like

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actually bully they made W what's the name of that show I don't watch TV so

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it's kind of a problem um

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Bad Girls Mean Girls Mean Girls yeah there we go

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mean girls if they made bully but like Mean Girls I think that could maybe work

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that could maybe work I think guys would play that I think everyone would play that see like that kind of makes more

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sense this is I think too mild and I think she's going after Jane Austin

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stories which while they were super popular for a long time before and are I

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think probably still hard to read man they're hard to read I don't read I've

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read a couple I've read uh I've read um I've heard they're good I just don't

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read them I read Emma I read prej both

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of those are supposed to be really good I read Pride and Prejudice and Zombies as well which was

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better so I think I bought my mom Pride and Prejudice yeah so okay you know a

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great comment in the twitch chat there's no such thing as a girl gamer there's

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just Gamers and some of them happen to be girls and this is targeted towards a

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thing that doesn't exist a girl gamer who's like every negative stereotype

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about you know what gaming girls would do so there that's what that's what I

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don't like about that Kickstarter project it's not going to get funded by the look of things so I don't have to

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worry about it too much but what I am planning to do sometime in the next

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little while as I will be downloading the demo and I'll be trying it out

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because maybe I'm wrong maybe I come back to the W show next week and I'm

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like yep I was wrong I was wrong and they were right and it's amazing I'll

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just shoot myself yeah speaking of things that I was wrong about something

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that we both failed to mention last week when we were talking about PS Vita and

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Playstation 4 streaming speaking of which I ordered what you got what's that

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what is it

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C

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what I think Curtis Chris Chris yeah

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okay I think I think I know which Chris this is um okay so we just got a cake um

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I don't know how people are even doing this this but um I know

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how it's got chocolate on it and like I

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I don't know I don't know how a cake in the shape of a knock to a fan was

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obtained but I have to admire the uh the

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uh I don't know whatever it is that it

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took to come up with this particular idea they can't stop laughing okay it's

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like ghost and ixie and foxhound and mape and windspeed and all those guys it

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probably ended up being um just guessing

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it was probably wher who actually put the order in you know what's funny is I

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actually just started playing Portal 2 last night so so I'm having like like like it

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is a lie because it's not actually a fan I know the cake is a

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lot uh it seems like something that should be cold do you mind uh putting it

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in I guess freezer or fridge isce I

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don't know maybe someone can tell us what whether it goes in the freezer or

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the fridge so apparently it was a whole bunch of mods um and a whole bunch of

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the mods friends well thank you very much guys that is uh that is very very

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cool of you that's actually pretty epic that's hilarious what a what a wow

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moment that is um oh I think Ryan's here okay all

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right so we'll bring Ryan on right away after this but okay so something both he

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and I failed to mention last week when we were talking about PSV stream as well

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as NVIDIA Shield streaming is that Sony

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had Remote Play Back in 2005 2006 and it

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was a feature that allowed you to stream your gameplay to a device of your choice

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in fact it was way more versatile than NVIDIA's solution because it allowed you

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to stream to phones and PCs and you could stream your PSP games from your

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PSP to your PS3 and play them there so this was posted by Tom Lambert 01 on the

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Forum so thank you Tom for the correction we genuinely do appreciate it

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uh this is something that because I wasn't a PS3 gamer never really paid any

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attention to any of it I was actually completely not aware of so there you go

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thank you for bringing that to our attention all right next up we've got uh

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actually are we ready to have Ryan join us I can't am i g to have audio if I put

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these on you should because I can't hear a thing in one second all right okay so

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I'll move on to something else in the meantime then nope they're not talking

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let's talk about the oh they are talking okay so we can hear those guys but we

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can't hear Ryan yet we can hear who uh I just oh wow hey there it is okay

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excellent that's most good most good all

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right so is this uh listening to anything yet or no I believe that is

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listening to Ryan so I think they can hear Ryan there we go whoa Hi how are

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you Ryan good all right so uh tell me how

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was the AMD show last week you know what the Apu 13 event had

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had surprisingly more news than I expected to see

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from it kind of didn't really know what to expect going into it but they talked

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about uh you know Cav Apu and um what

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are the other ones Bea and Mullins then they talked about mantle and they they

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had some good content there actually okay so let's start with uh

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let's start with let's start with mantle um what is what was your initial take

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when we first heard about it at GPU 13 versus hearing about it

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now you know I I don't think a whole Bunch has changed yet right so the when

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we first heard about it it was Battlefield 4 only uh although that's a

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pretty big deal and then we heard it was going to be frostbite engine and now

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they actually showed two different developers in addition to dice that are

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integrating mantle and they actually

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showed performance metrics of some kind not the kind that we're used to seeing

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like frame rates and stuff but uh looking at what do we call it draw calls

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per second um where there used to be batch levels of 3,000 to 5,000 and now

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this developer was showing a real-time strategy game that was running like a

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100,000 batch calls and that doesn't

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directly translate to Performance but it

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it means that there's one less bottleneck holding them back from

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improving performance in other ways let's try to explain to the viewers for

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a moment like what something like uh like draw calls means to Performance

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compared to the I mean I guess the numbers that we're typically used to

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seeing like Tera flops or pixel fill rates or numbers like that so A draw

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call is like the the setup process of

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the game engine right so the processor has to the not the GPU the actual Intel

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or AMD CPU has to organize a bunch of

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draw calls it says what is the game engine actually asking me to do what's

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it what does it want to draw what does it want to see and it compiles these

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into groups called batches and this kind

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of batching process has been a limiting factor for gain developers in certain

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ways uh at this event you know we heard developers talk about that it was for

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years and years been a you never cross

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that three to 5,000 draw calls per

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batch uh level and it was just something that was assumed throughout the industry

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and what that did was it kind of limited

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how creative they could be with designs

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of characters polygon counts Shader counts that kind of thing and if you can

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expand that up which mantle does it it limits it gets rid of the API overhead

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and it allows these developers to kind of directly code to the processor in a

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much more efficient manner then by having these additional batch call

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capabilities they have the ability to improve visual uh just visuals or

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performance one way or the other now one of the thing one of the ways Chris

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Roberts explained it to me so

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um that's uh that's Chris Roberts from cloud Imperium game so the the maker of

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Star Citizen one of the ways he explained it to me was that you can use

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the processing power of the graphics card to say for example draw some rock

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and then if you can have uh you know an order of magnitude more draw calls you

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can take those same resources and you can replicate that rock all over the

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place in order to make for a more varied um exciting looking environment is that

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the main benefit I guess of having more draw calls

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I I'd say that's one of the primary benefits of it for sure it's

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um it basically opens up the pallet for

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these designers and these coders to do things they couldn't do

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before we when we talk about benchmarks and performance we're used to

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bottlenecks like frame rates or how many

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threads are being actually utilized on a processor but for the most part we don't

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really know what is the processor really doing most of the time and this setup is

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part of that so imp implementing mantle

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gives developers the capability to be more

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creative and Institute things like duplicate or Not Duplicate but uh being

00:18:09.159 --> 00:18:15.080
more creative and offering up more options to increase poly counts or

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increase character counts and you know increased resolution or granularity of

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uh surroundings and stuff like that so it's it's more about enabling artists to

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be more openly creative and game

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developers to not have as many restrictions as they used to have I I

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don't think when the Battlefield 4 version of Manel comes out that it's

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going to be 100% faster I think it's realistically going to be somewhere

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between like 10 and 15% faster than the

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standard dx11 version so it's it's just a matter of every time you remove a

00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:51.320
bottleneck something else crops up so it's but it's it's like a constant

00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:55.919
battle that Hardware developers and Driver developers have to worry about

00:18:53.280 --> 00:18:58.600
finding now speaking of uh you talked about the what the we don't really know

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what the processor is doing doing a little while back there um one of I

00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:09.080
think the most impressive demos that AMD showed off at their event was

00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:10.159
downclocking an fx8350 to 2 GHz so for

00:19:09.080 --> 00:19:15.840
for those of you who don't know what they're normally clocked at um that's

00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:18.600
that's like damn near 60% of its normal

00:19:15.840 --> 00:19:25.480
clock speed and then they showed that a Radeon R9 290x was still GPU Bound in

00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:29.600
the in the game that they were showing off as opposed to being CPU Bound in

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spite of the fact they had turned down the single-threaded performance of their

00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:36.880
CPU so dramatically um is this just is

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this just better optimization in general I mean we've already seen that Frostbite

00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:44.559
3 uh whether you're running mantle obviously we're not running mantle yet

00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:48.039
but whether you're running mantle or not is able to make pretty good use of

00:19:46.080 --> 00:19:52.000
multiple cores so is this just a general optimization thing or is mantle really

00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:56.720
going to pave the way for us to not need very powerful processors

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anymore I think it's going to help right and that's keep in mind where what from

00:19:59.520 --> 00:20:06.720
what position AMD is coming at right they have the lower performance

00:20:04.159 --> 00:20:11.960
processors in this battle against Intel so anytime they can say push off that

00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:16.640
bottleneck to the GPU instead of the CPU that's a big Advantage for them uh but I

00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:22.640
do believe that and I think most people that are PC Gamers will realize that you

00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:26.240
don't have to have a core i7 4960x to play

00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:31.080
games you would much rather spend that no hold on hold on Ryan hold on just a

00:20:27.840 --> 00:20:34.640
minute I think that uh when I when I got

00:20:31.080 --> 00:20:36.159
uh when I got far cry I think it was

00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:41.080
there's a thing that pops up and it's like plays best on core2 Duo extreme so

00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:45.840
I'm pretty sure you need an extreme addition to play games I mean that's been true for years now well I hope you

00:20:43.840 --> 00:20:51.760
didn't upgrade away from the core2 duo because then your performance would probably go down right I get such a kick

00:20:49.520 --> 00:20:55.000
out of that when they do uh when Intel used to do that branding of a specific

00:20:53.880 --> 00:21:00.840
product right in front of a game it's like guys that's that's relevant for

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like 18 months

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maybe sorry go go ahead yes you don't need an extreme addition to play

00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:14.080
games yeah I mean you don't you don't need it and you

00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:15.559
can game on a on a quad core Apu as long

00:21:14.080 --> 00:21:21.080
as you have a discreet graphics card and you're still going to get really good PC

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gaming performance and I think mantle is

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is a really interesting you know step down that

00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:32.039
pathway of integrating things differently I'm still not sold on it uh

00:21:29.840 --> 00:21:35.880
being kind of This Global success that AMD wants us to believe it is you know

00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:40.600
we we've seen several developers integrated it now um we've also seen

00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:45.240
several developers integrate how long term that'll be so say again I said

00:21:43.760 --> 00:21:50.480
we've also seen several developers integrate

00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:51.840
physx right right and and it doesn't

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necessarily mean that the long-term viability of that technology is is is

00:21:56.159 --> 00:22:00.799
solid Okay so I mean what else really

00:21:59.159 --> 00:22:04.679
stood out to you about the event maybe talk about cavar because you you

00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:08.279
mentioned just a second ago there um a quadcore apu's fine for gaming as long

00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:11.240
as you still have a discret GPU do you think that's still the case with

00:22:11.760 --> 00:22:17.960
cavar yeah I I really do uh there are

00:22:15.360 --> 00:22:23.679
there are use cases where even today Richland or Trinity is going to be okay

00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:26.279
for 10p gaming at lower low to medium

00:22:23.679 --> 00:22:33.440
settings and canar improves that prob probably 4050 % I mean we showed um a

00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:37.240
video where they had the cavar demo system running Battlefield 4 at 1080p at

00:22:35.840 --> 00:22:41.720
medium quality settings so that's that's impressive

00:22:39.520 --> 00:22:46.960
technologically like I've been doing this for a long time and to see that

00:22:43.760 --> 00:22:48.440
this Flagship high-end PC gaming title

00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:52.279
looks really good first of all Battlefield 4 looks really good at

00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:56.919
medium quality settings so an advantage that am has with the demo right off the

00:22:54.440 --> 00:23:02.279
bat uh but they're running it off of an APU that's drawn I don't know 100 Watts

00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:05.679
120 watts or something like that that's pretty impressive but the people that

00:23:04.360 --> 00:23:11.120
listen to your show the people that listen to our show and and and they they

00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:15.279
want better than that right and you can get better than that for not a whole lot

00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:18.159
of money so yeah I I think they're going down you know they're they're

00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:23.080
progressing down the right path this was always the plan even though the the kind

00:23:20.679 --> 00:23:26.520
of dark secret secret that came out during the show was that this

00:23:24.320 --> 00:23:30.640
performance is actually lower than what they had said was going to the

00:23:28.360 --> 00:23:36.559
performance of cavar a year ago right right they had to lower clocks on the

00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:38.679
CPU and GPU right okay um can you wait

00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:43.480
what just happened oh

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okay okay um Luke can you actually mute Ryan for a second or Ryan can you turn

00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:52.240
on push to talk because we're getting some feedback from your mic whenever you're not talking I think it's trying

00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:57.120
to I think it's trying to I can I can use I've got a foot pedal for mute I can

00:23:54.120 --> 00:23:59.320
do that Wicked okay thanks man um okay

00:23:57.120 --> 00:24:04.360
so the thing that I wanted to talk about is I think I think the real issue with

00:24:02.080 --> 00:24:09.120
with the apus and the strategy that AMD has here is they're trying to do what

00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:14.880
Intel's doing where they're positioning their apus as as a premium sort of as a

00:24:12.919 --> 00:24:18.559
price premium when they first introduce them they're they're trying to ask for

00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:23.000
more money for them then I think then rather than just bringing them to Market

00:24:21.320 --> 00:24:28.799
at what I really think is a is a fair price so an example of this is something

00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:32.480
like Richland where their top tier Apu

00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:35.120
the uh 6800k I guess it is is like

00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:39.480
$140 and then you can get something that offers pretty near the same performance

00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:44.480
that isn't fm2 Plus or whatever so something like an A8

00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:48.200
5600k for $40 less which when we're

00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:51.240
talking about1 or $140 CPUs is a very

00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:54.919
very significant difference with that

00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:56.840
$40 I I I think that the the difference

00:24:54.919 --> 00:25:03.960
in slightly better CPU performance and then maybe I mean when they they introduce cavar dramatically better GPU

00:25:00.760 --> 00:25:06.080
performance is not going to be justified

00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:09.440
by the performance that's there so you're going to have to invest in a more

00:25:07.760 --> 00:25:14.080
expensive CPU AMD is going to want a premium from you for the latest technology you're going to need a more

00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:18.240
expensive motherboard because once again the motherboard manufacturers are first

00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:23.919
coming to market with the premium chipsets for what to me really is a very

00:25:20.919 --> 00:25:26.440
entry-level platform so by the time you

00:25:23.919 --> 00:25:31.399
do the CPU and motherboard cost comparisons again a last generation Apu

00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:37.559
you're probably spending another $60 to $70 now $60 to $70 is an awful long way

00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:42.440
towards a pretty decent dedicated graphics card we did a console killer

00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:47.360
type build for our image quality comparison where we gave ourselves a

00:25:44.600 --> 00:25:53.679
$450 budget so smack dab in between the price of the two nextg consoles and uh

00:25:51.159 --> 00:25:58.559
what we ended up with was a 5600k so we found the cheapest quad core Apu we

00:25:55.480 --> 00:26:00.799
could we grabbed a 7770 then we went

00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:04.679
with a cheapo hard drive Cheapo case you know basically doorstop power supply but

00:26:02.840 --> 00:26:07.520
at least like it's an ntech basic or something I think so it's nothing

00:26:06.360 --> 00:26:12.600
special but it's also not going to explode immediately and we were able to

00:26:10.320 --> 00:26:16.279
achieve similar image quality in Battlefield 4 as what we could get with

00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:20.840
a PS4 or an Xbox One and obviously much more functionality and that wouldn't be

00:26:18.080 --> 00:26:25.960
possible with cavar did you include an operating

00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:32.720
system in that build price uh 550 with OS so 4 50 Hardware 550 OS cuz we we we

00:26:30.840 --> 00:26:38.520
did a similar thing and and it was disheartening to see 20% of your system

00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:43.840
build pricee be relegated to uh a copy of Windows 8 or whatever hey demos but

00:26:42.120 --> 00:26:48.960
it's coming yeah yeah it can't come soon enough the the but the your point is is

00:26:46.840 --> 00:26:52.000
is pretty pretty valid right the when cavar comes out it's going to be a

00:26:50.320 --> 00:26:57.600
little bit more expensive than Richland uh is it going to be justified

00:26:55.399 --> 00:27:03.120
it all it all depends on on the consumer I don't think somebody who is a gamer is

00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:08.039
going to want this part but if you're somebody that is building a PC for

00:27:05.120 --> 00:27:11.840
another purpose a home theater PC or a small form factor build that maybe you

00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:18.880
already have your main rig upstairs and you want to have something small and modest downstairs or in you know at a at

00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:24.120
a at your office or something it will be able to do some of that stuff and that's

00:27:21.399 --> 00:27:29.000
kind of what AMD is leaning on uh for their advantages over what they can with

00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:32.960
Intel because they do not have they're a severe disadvantage on the processor

00:27:30.600 --> 00:27:36.919
Side Y so they've got to push this GPU side and and to be completely honest

00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:42.679
they they may not have that lead on the GPU side for very long in terms of the

00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:45.440
integrated processors because Intel is

00:27:42.679 --> 00:27:50.240
continuing continuing to increase their GPU performance on these uh integrated

00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:54.640
processors these processor Graphics I guess as Intel calls them and they they

00:27:53.399 --> 00:28:01.840
I think it'll still be a little while before they catch up but they still an

00:27:58.760 --> 00:28:06.279
and it's weird process node aside

00:28:01.840 --> 00:28:10.919
inteleg or Intel relegates so relegates

00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:12.679
oh man dude I'm tired Intel allocates so

00:28:10.919 --> 00:28:17.080
little of the die size I mean when you when you look when you look at the

00:28:14.120 --> 00:28:22.960
actual D photographs so little of it is the actual CPU that even if you factor

00:28:19.399 --> 00:28:25.799
out their process node Advantage AMD to

00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:30.600
achieve worse performance and worse power consumption is

00:28:28.320 --> 00:28:34.640
is is spending an awful lot more die area on the CPU so Intel's going to have

00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:38.360
this Advantage where just in terms of the sheer amount in in terms of the

00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:44.080
sheer die size they're going to be able to allocate a ton more space to a GPU

00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:48.399
just to make up for whatever advantages AMD might have in terms of their

00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:52.960
experience building gpus um and I I think that's going to continue to help

00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:58.679
Intel close the gap as they get more experienced that's the point that I'm

00:28:55.360 --> 00:29:00.159
laboriously trying to get to here

00:28:58.679 --> 00:29:03.760
well Intel has this huge Advantage with its manufacturing right so they'll

00:29:02.360 --> 00:29:08.640
they're they're trying to utilize that manufacturing advantage to go after the

00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:12.880
ARM market and they're also going to try to use some of that on uh to to make up

00:29:11.080 --> 00:29:18.320
for these Graphics deficits that they've traditionally had um it's it'll be

00:29:16.360 --> 00:29:23.760
interesting to see this coming generation like the end of 2014 Intel

00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:26.799
does versus what AMD does because Intel has slowly been increasing the

00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:33.320
percentage of the die that they use for graphics y Intel is probably in the 40%

00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:37.880
range with Haswell I think um and AMD is

00:29:33.320 --> 00:29:40.559
just over 50% with Cav and it's a better

00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:43.840
50% right the the the units that AMD has built are better and more efficient than

00:29:42.159 --> 00:29:49.399
what Intel has built but that will eventually change and if you're running

00:29:45.600 --> 00:29:51.159
at 22 nanometer or 14 nanometer next

00:29:49.399 --> 00:29:56.039
year you have a little bit more flexibility about how much die space you

00:29:53.240 --> 00:30:00.600
can just create for those parts so it'll be it'll be interesting and integated

00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:05.120
space in 2014 to be sure especially because there's no pressure on Intel to

00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:09.640
increase IPC on the CPU side so if they can go okay we're going to shrink to 14

00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:13.880
nanometer we're going to do pretty much nothing other than optimize for power on

00:30:11.679 --> 00:30:18.880
the CPU side we're going to allocate all that extra die space to GPU and it's Off

00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:23.200
to the Races yeah I mean that's and that that's

00:30:21.360 --> 00:30:27.720
unfortunately been the case for Intel for several years about not really

00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:32.440
pushing forward on the CPU space you know it's they after the pennium 4

00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:37.240
disaster they slowly built back up so that they were the dominant uh the

00:30:34.679 --> 00:30:42.080
dominant CPU vendor over Athlon and and Phenom and all that and when AMD could

00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:46.559
no longer compete they just kind of said H okay we're good where we're at you

00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:51.440
know we get those sporadic updates like the Sandy Bridge e And The Ivy Bridge e

00:30:49.159 --> 00:30:55.720
and you know they can pack 10 or 12 cores onto a Zeon but they're not really

00:30:53.880 --> 00:31:01.200
changing anything drastically like they hope to do on the graphic side

00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:05.200
yeah that's uh that's extremely frustrating I think for enthusiasts

00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:09.480
everywhere so we've got a couple other topics here that we could uh guys if you

00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:13.799
have any questions for Ryan go ahead and hit us up on Twitter at Linus and uh

00:31:12.360 --> 00:31:18.799
we'll do we'll do a Twitter Blitz with him at some point here but I'd like to

00:31:15.919 --> 00:31:23.720
get your take on lsi's upcoming sandforce FF SF 3700

00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:29.880
controller I had not looked at that yet

00:31:28.679 --> 00:31:34.240
okay forget about it then let's let's move on do all of our storage stuff so

00:31:32.919 --> 00:31:42.679
don't don't don't worry about it I'll hit you with something that's a little bit uh ah yes okay you can buy pre

00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:45.039
flashed Radeon R9 290s that have been

00:31:42.679 --> 00:31:50.960
flashed with 290x bioses what is your take on all of this and how cannibalized

00:31:47.919 --> 00:31:54.080
has AMD made their own high-end lineup I

00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:56.320
mean we have so far we haven't found an

00:31:54.080 --> 00:32:00.960
X card with a non-x equivalent that makes any sense to buy

00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:07.720
bu yeah the 290x is is increasingly becoming a more and

00:32:04.080 --> 00:32:09.799
more kind of derelict part in in the uh

00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:12.840
in the PC market right when it launched everybody loved it it was this super

00:32:11.360 --> 00:32:18.760
high performance card it was less expensive than the GTX

00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:20.639
780 and the Titan and then then NVIDIA

00:32:18.760 --> 00:32:25.240
dropped its prices I think further than AMD expected they released AMD releases

00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:31.960
the 290 undercutting their own part by a huge margin even though performan is

00:32:27.679 --> 00:32:33.159
very close and you can like overclock it

00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:37.679
a little bit more and you're going to go well beyond that and you're going to save what is it

00:32:35.399 --> 00:32:42.559
$150 yeah it's a significant that's pretty big

00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:45.440
makx weird now have you guys played

00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:50.159
around with how 290 and 290x for that matter perform when you are able to keep

00:32:47.679 --> 00:32:55.679
thermals under control I haven't used anything except

00:32:53.120 --> 00:33:00.639
the reference coolers on that but I have I have run reference coolers let's say

00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:07.200
at higher fan speeds than should be loud on your ears um and and it does it does

00:33:04.840 --> 00:33:10.639
well it does well but like uh I mean the most you know the most recent issue that

00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:15.480
we were had is we had in a couple of the 290x retail cards and we were comparing

00:33:13.679 --> 00:33:19.960
how that compared to the the reference cards that that I got and I think that

00:33:17.120 --> 00:33:23.840
you got as well and uh that's that was the big issue that they had in cranking

00:33:22.159 --> 00:33:29.120
up the fan speeds a little bit to making sure that everything was consistent was

00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:33.799
kind of an odd move as well the one thing that's weird about the 290

00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:36.720
compared to the 290x is that the 290 is

00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:43.000
louder it's default State than the 290x it's it's got less it's got fewer

00:33:39.679 --> 00:33:45.240
Shader units but they run them at a

00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:49.159
lower speed but at a higher fan speed so it's running at its top clocks more

00:33:47.639 --> 00:33:55.000
consistently it's a really odd kind of balancing move they've did they've done

00:33:52.320 --> 00:34:00.799
to kind of push themselves out of a market that they were doing very well in

00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:03.600
it I know 290x was competitive from the

00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:09.919
start I mean did they I I don't know it was honestly it wasn't as confusing

00:34:06.679 --> 00:34:13.359
quite to me as 270 was because 270 I

00:34:09.919 --> 00:34:15.440
didn't even know about so at GPU 13 they

00:34:13.359 --> 00:34:19.240
didn't talk about it at all unless you were in a secret briefing room where you

00:34:17.720 --> 00:34:25.200
have to have lasers coming out of your eyes to be in that one did you know about

00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:26.639
270 uh no not until I got an email that

00:34:25.200 --> 00:34:32.079
said hey there's one on their way to you and I and it was as I was kind of getting

00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:36.240
ready to leave for the Apu 13 event and I said well I'm not going to be able to

00:34:33.720 --> 00:34:39.200
get this tested and stuff before I leave for this event so how you know give me a

00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:43.000
little bit of background on it and they said oh wasen to the slide deck and

00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:46.720
usually if they're not real eager to brag about what the product is that

00:34:44.919 --> 00:34:51.280
there's usually something you need to be uh to pay attention to and I got the

00:34:48.919 --> 00:34:56.919
specs and I looked at it and I almost emailed them back I said no no no no you

00:34:52.919 --> 00:34:58.040
sent me the 270x specs so what did you

00:34:56.919 --> 00:35:03.920
what did you really mean to send me and I started looking at it I was like wow there's like no difference here and then

00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:07.000
there's a $20 MSRP difference you want

00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:08.200
to talk about congesting the market

00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:13.960
you're supposed to do that against your competition not really against your own

00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.560
gpus yeah R2 r270 video I think the the

00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:19.720
thumbnail was something like why does this

00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:24.160
exist it's like they might as well have just price dropped 27x and not bothered

00:35:22.200 --> 00:35:28.400
to you know come up with another skew mind you from from okay if you're going

00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:33.839
to look at the from a from an AMD perspective they've sure gotten a lot of

00:35:31.200 --> 00:35:38.599
Impressions without actually paying for advertising by doing so many GPU

00:35:36.560 --> 00:35:42.839
launches here yeah you know AMD did this with the

00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:46.400
7,000 series I don't know remember if they did with the 6000 series with the

00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:52.760
7,000 series I remember being equally annoyed with uh here's the 7970 and now

00:35:50.040 --> 00:35:57.400
the 7950 and now the 7870 and then the 7850 and so it's like every 10 days

00:35:54.680 --> 00:36:03.160
there em graphics for the G Edition right right right I mean there

00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.359
was it was just just you know do a few

00:36:03.160 --> 00:36:10.280
of them together I thought they would do better this time they did the 280 270

00:36:06.560 --> 00:36:12.160
and 260 kind of as a as a bundle uh but

00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:17.800
I think they more did that because it was a Rebrand and selling each of those

00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:21.800
individually as new products 10 days separated would probably be even more of

00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:24.480
a headache for him but uh yeah I mean it's

00:36:22.520 --> 00:36:28.599
definitely you know that's one way that these these vendors kind of create

00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:33.160
interest and excitement for their product is if we just tweak this one

00:36:30.839 --> 00:36:36.480
thing everybody kind of has to talk about it again whereas if the product is

00:36:35.240 --> 00:36:40.000
just sitting on the shelf and we've already done our reviews and their board

00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:46.280
partners aren't coming out with something really exciting to get us to write it about it again they start to

00:36:43.680 --> 00:36:49.560
suffer so I don't think they I mean it's so quick I don't think they did it for

00:36:47.640 --> 00:36:54.000
here for this but something to keep an eye out for all right now we get asked

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:57.359
this a lot I know it's sort of a terrible question but I'm going to ask

00:36:56.079 --> 00:37:03.240
it to you anyway if you had to pick So based on

00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:07.599
what you are projecting with respect to mantle I mean if you're ter question I

00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:12.200
know okay if you had to but but the reality of it is it doesn't matter the

00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:16.119
reality of it is unless to make this decision unless you're someone like you

00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:18.920
or me or Ryan who gets to pick whatever damn graphics card they want and put it

00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:25.359
in their system and they can swap them at a moment's notice Ryan right now what do you think

00:37:23.200 --> 00:37:30.680
is a more compelling technology mantle or g-sync because those are really the

00:37:27.560 --> 00:37:33.960
the the big new things from both

00:37:30.680 --> 00:37:35.480
camps um I know I know it's a terrible

00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:41.119
question I'm sorry to do it to it's gsync I

00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:44.920
mean it's it's g-sync but I'll I'll so

00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:47.319
I'll say this the g-sync is the most

00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:52.000
interesting technology for me in gaming kind of period right now but I'm not

00:37:50.200 --> 00:37:58.800
really super excited about it in its current state right on a 1080p TN panel

00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:03.319
H it's it's it's much better but I would love to see it on a IPS 1080P or if

00:38:01.640 --> 00:38:09.240
you're going to keep me on TN put me on a 25 by14 panel 4K is a little bit of a

00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:10.680
stretch still but um people people like

00:38:09.240 --> 00:38:15.720
us that have been you know kind of feeding the Enthusiast base about hey

00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:19.920
you need to upgrade to this 2560 X 1440 monitor because that is the next thing

00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:23.240
or look at this 4K stuff you know we did some 4K demos and this is really

00:38:21.680 --> 00:38:29.800
expensive but if you want to look at what it's going to be like in a year or two years this is awesome now to kind of

00:38:27.319 --> 00:38:34.599
be pulled back into hey check out this great technology on 1080p only right now

00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:40.280
it's a little bit it's a little bit disheartening for that but for mantle

00:38:37.359 --> 00:38:43.520
it's such kind of it's It's So Far Away it feels so far away even though

00:38:42.040 --> 00:38:50.040
Battlefield 4 is supposed to be out this year yeah with the m support it just

00:38:46.160 --> 00:38:52.319
yeah the benefits of it feel so indirect

00:38:50.040 --> 00:38:57.040
or kind of I don't know wishy-washy like I'm not exactly sure what I'm getting

00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:58.400
with it whereas with g-sync I I know and

00:38:57.040 --> 00:39:03.480
you know exactly what you're getting with it because you got to see it in person and that's something that people

00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:07.119
listening don't have the advantage of here's the thing about mantle and uh I

00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:10.440
mean with battle Battlefield 4 specifically what what Luke and I

00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:14.400
actually noticed because we were we were capturing footage from Battlefield 4 and

00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:18.160
Assassin's Creed 4 was that Battlefield 4 really doesn't have an issue with

00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:24.079
tearing in the same way that some other games do so for example Assassin's Creed

00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:26.079
4 becomes a tearing disgusting mess as

00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:30.000
soon as you in certain areas yeah as soon as you Pan the camera in certain

00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:34.880
areas and it's it's just it's like it's unplayable it's at 60 FPS but who cares

00:39:32.520 --> 00:39:38.440
cuz it looks awful I I tried it in other areas though it's like very specifically

00:39:36.560 --> 00:39:42.160
in certain areas so on the other hand Battlefield 4 we didn't really have an

00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:47.480
issue with it so I look at that and I go okay well yeah if you throw another 10

00:39:44.359 --> 00:39:49.680
even or 20% or even up to you know 40%

00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:52.560
performance at it that's great with that said Battlefield 4 is also extremely

00:39:51.240 --> 00:39:56.960
well optimized and we're able to run into high detail settings even on low-end Hardware so so that's a thing as

00:39:56.160 --> 00:40:00.640
well so mantle to me is such a mixed bag

00:39:59.520 --> 00:40:07.800
because there's going to be engines where even with mantle implemented you're still going to have tearing and

00:40:04.520 --> 00:40:11.359
lagginess all over the place whereas

00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:14.280
with gsync maybe you don't get the FPS

00:40:11.359 --> 00:40:18.960
that you do with mantle but man does it ever look smoother you know I I see some

00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:23.640
people in the in the chat commenting like GNC would be great for mid-range

00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:28.599
but not for the highend or does gsync even matter with 144 Hertz monitors and

00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:33.680
I it they're they're fundamentally kind of missing the point of what gsync does

00:40:31.680 --> 00:40:39.359
right so it's not a replacement I mean it's a replacement for vsync completely

00:40:35.560 --> 00:40:40.960
on or off and so even for an argument

00:40:39.359 --> 00:40:44.680
that I see on our comment threads a lot is well if you have like a GTX 780 it

00:40:43.040 --> 00:40:49.160
doesn't even matter if you have gsync right and it's not if you have a monitor

00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:54.280
limited to 60 HZ but if you have like the ASUS panel that was demoed on it

00:40:51.960 --> 00:41:01.520
will run at 144 Herz well now you can run anywhere from 30 to 144 frames per

00:40:57.839 --> 00:41:03.520
second without any visual tearing and

00:41:01.520 --> 00:41:07.319
you don't lose any graph any graphical Fidelity you can turn things up a whole

00:41:05.359 --> 00:41:11.040
bunch whereas you know before you would have to worry about well if this one

00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:16.599
scene or this one part of this mult multiplayer map draws my frame rate

00:41:13.200 --> 00:41:18.760
below 120 120 hertz to 60

00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:22.280
HZ now you don't have to worry about that right and so you know at the NVIDIA

00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:26.400
event we don't have to get into it again those developers you know carac who

00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:31.119
doesn't really work at it anymore but carac and Anderson and Sweeney kind of

00:41:28.720 --> 00:41:34.680
got up there and said this is perfect for us because it it prevents us from

00:41:33.240 --> 00:41:39.000
worrying about these really specific edge cases and I think that mean that

00:41:37.200 --> 00:41:43.560
should mean a lot to Gamers even if it doesn't yet like they don't understand

00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:45.160
it until they see it yeah that's uh it's

00:41:43.560 --> 00:41:48.800
one of those things where I think a lot of the new technologies coming are going

00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:55.760
to suffer from the same problem whether it's g-sync or Oculus um or uh uh motion

00:41:53.359 --> 00:42:00.280
inputs uh even I mean even something like the new connect from from Microsoft

00:41:58.040 --> 00:42:04.040
with the new Xbox One where they can show people using it and we're going to

00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:08.560
see that same stupid commercial that we've been watching since the Nintendo

00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:13.000
Wii launched of families having fun and dancing around in front of their TVs but

00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:17.000
beyond that how do you actually get people to understand these Technologies

00:42:15.040 --> 00:42:22.680
unless you can put them put it on their head or put it in front of their face

00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:26.520
it's tough like 3D was the first time that that really came to you know to the

00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:32.400
Forefront for me was like you can't show off 3D Vision and how cool it looks or

00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:35.079
how cool it doesn't look over video or

00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:39.160
on text or you know me sitting here talking to people watching a live stream

00:42:37.720 --> 00:42:42.720
right you gota you got to go see it in person and g-sync is the same way yeah

00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:48.960
you know we had Tom Peterson out here doing a video with us and we had two of

00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.640
those g-sync monitors and we for like

00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:56.440
four hours in the middle of the night tried to figure out a way to show video

00:42:53.640 --> 00:43:02.040
of these panels that actually made them look good instead of bad things like a

00:42:59.040 --> 00:43:05.640
60z capture camera can't show what it

00:43:02.040 --> 00:43:07.720
does we need is like a variable we need

00:43:05.640 --> 00:43:13.160
we well we need a capture card with a g-sync module in order to show it I mean

00:43:10.520 --> 00:43:18.000
I how much would I love it what if you had one of those how much would I love

00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:21.440
it if NVIDIA produced to go along with

00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:25.319
their whole uh FCAT initiative if NVIDIA

00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:28.599
produced a capture card that helped us

00:43:25.319 --> 00:43:32.240
benchmark cat H that's an interesting

00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:33.520
thought or what if a capture card vendor

00:43:32.240 --> 00:43:37.079
that was kind of already working on DisplayPort stuff started to integrate

00:43:35.720 --> 00:43:41.160
some of these things so that we could capture variable frame rate technology

00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:47.680
that's an interesting thought lus wouldn't that be cool then then people

00:43:44.839 --> 00:43:51.119
could actually sit and watch it and understand the difference well no it

00:43:49.680 --> 00:43:54.720
still wouldn't help them right because we could make variable frame rate videos

00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:58.160
and then what do they play it back on hold on a second unless they could just

00:43:56.680 --> 00:44:04.200
a sec we could at least show the tearing

00:44:00.839 --> 00:44:06.119
being eliminated so if nothing else we

00:44:04.200 --> 00:44:11.160
could at least capture tearing versus non- tearing how do how do you display a

00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:18.760
42 frames per second section of a video on a 60 HZ refresh prate

00:44:14.680 --> 00:44:21.160
panel yeah it's tough like it's got to

00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:25.280
be end to end right so you could you could have a you could record it and

00:44:23.240 --> 00:44:30.119
capture it you could measure performance on it and then I could present fancy

00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:35.440
graphs to you yes but unless you have a variable refresh monitor on your desk

00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:41.119
that also has a variable refresh capable video player to read these files then

00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:45.160
it's not going to work you know I had thought about it as far as hey this

00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:48.760
would be a great tool for us because the way that capture cards are implemented

00:44:46.839 --> 00:44:52.800
now is expensive and not even going to be useful for much longer because uh

00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:56.400
g-sync is going to completely turn everything on its head in terms of how

00:44:54.480 --> 00:45:01.960
you can actually capture an output from a graphics card um and then I hadn't

00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.880
actually gone as far as you know okay could we use it to to present it to

00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:11.400
other people but no you're absolutely right it wouldn't work at all so keep in

00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:14.040
mind that the the the capture based

00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:19.359
stuff or even fraps or whatever method you use even though if you turn vsync

00:45:17.359 --> 00:45:26.200
off and measure performance that way you'll still see the performance that

00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:29.240
you would see on a g-sync monitor so if

00:45:26.200 --> 00:45:30.760
I'm running 122 frames per second or

00:45:29.240 --> 00:45:35.440
something like that and I'm on a if I had gsync monitor that can capture that

00:45:32.640 --> 00:45:39.200
or present that rather then I will see 122 frames per second in that instance

00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:46.040
so you know you you'll still be able to measure performance with you know either

00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:48.559
FCAT capture fraps and but you won't be

00:45:46.040 --> 00:45:53.200
able to show the kind of experience you get on these different panels so it's

00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:58.200
NVIDIA has a has a tough job ahead of them to you know go go to any gaming

00:45:56.160 --> 00:46:01.760
show any land party and I bet you they'll have two dozen g-sync monitors

00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.640
sitting there for people to walk up and try and and and and try to get the word

00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:09.000
out about it even then it's a drop in the bucket I mean you look at how NVIDIA

00:46:07.359 --> 00:46:13.760
has marketed something like Shield uh we have a new intern here that uh we were

00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:18.520
we were covering the MGA power are you familiar with MGA power uh I don't think

00:46:16.640 --> 00:46:22.400
I am okay so they're little Bluetooth controllers that have a mount on them

00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:25.280
that's actually quite quite ingenious so that you can put your phone on it and

00:46:23.680 --> 00:46:28.160
you can use it to play games and then it also has a power bank in it so you can

00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:32.880
power your phone at the same time to extend your battery life so it's like uh

00:46:30.359 --> 00:46:36.640
it's like Shield light and then when you factor that in with that someone has uh

00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:42.520
someone has got NVIDIA game stream working with a custom uh with a custom

00:46:39.319 --> 00:46:45.960
Android hack um it's it's actually it's

00:46:42.520 --> 00:46:47.880
kind of compelling okay so he we were

00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:51.319
talking about it and I was talking about like sort of the quality of the

00:46:49.040 --> 00:46:55.480
controller and the you know the overall experience and I showed him an NVIDIA

00:46:53.359 --> 00:46:59.440
shield and he's like oh wait I can do what with that thing oh that's cool I

00:46:57.359 --> 00:47:05.040
mean he's a mainstream guy and NVIDIA hasn't figured out that they have to

00:47:01.319 --> 00:47:07.720
actually spend money on actually

00:47:05.040 --> 00:47:12.119
reaching more people than the 200 people who are at any given land party because

00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:16.319
it's just I mean the amount of money it cost them to do something in a land

00:47:14.160 --> 00:47:21.440
party versus if they set up a kiosk I don't know in a frakin mall or something

00:47:19.240 --> 00:47:24.240
is is just they're reaching the wrong people they're reaching the people who

00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:27.880
are actually likely to be watching this show listening to you and me talk about

00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.200
how amazing it is and probably at least have some ankling of how great it is

00:47:29.319 --> 00:47:37.119
whereas they need to reach the mainstream people and they just don't get it I agree I agree it's

00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:40.720
tough yeah I guess that was pretty much all there is to say about that um so

00:47:39.240 --> 00:47:44.880
let's move on to some Twitter questions here Brad culio asks is g-sync only

00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:48.160
NVIDIA and I guess an extension of this is is mantle only

00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:54.880
AMD yes and yes I guess for now for now

00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:58.559
so g-sync was invented by NVIDIA they have patents on it and the module that

00:47:57.040 --> 00:48:03.440
gets installed in these monitors is built by NVIDIA currently so um they

00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:07.559
said some fancy words like hey we'll we'll consider the licensing model but

00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:12.240
if you know NVIDIA no it's not going to happen they're not going to allow this

00:48:09.640 --> 00:48:15.079
to work with AMD graphics cards if AMD wants a g-sync like technology they're

00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:22.960
going to have to work on one on their own or partner with uh monitor vendors

00:48:18.680 --> 00:48:25.880
mantle on the other hand AMD or AMD in

00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:31.440
the past has a more open approach to their Technologies usually because to be

00:48:28.640 --> 00:48:36.640
quite fair about it they don't have as they don't invest as much resource

00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:41.000
financially or personnel-wise to invent these Technologies like NVIDIA does and

00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:43.839
they kind of hope that the community and uh the industry kind of comes to these

00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:48.119
standards you can look at physics acceleration you at 3D implementations

00:48:46.319 --> 00:48:55.720
on monitors and and and I think they'll try to do the same thing with gsync but

00:48:51.799 --> 00:48:57.440
mantle could be supported by NVIDIA but

00:48:55.720 --> 00:49:02.440
think more for Pride issues than anything else that NVIDIA will likely

00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:06.440
not implement it I mean uh you know just based on the story history between those

00:49:04.720 --> 00:49:12.559
two companies that was my next question is is there any is there any possibility

00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:14.960
in your mind that NVIDIA will adopt

00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:21.200
mantle no I would say the the best case

00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:24.520
scenario is Microsoft pays attention

00:49:21.200 --> 00:49:27.559
gets off his ass and fixes directex to

00:49:24.520 --> 00:49:30.400
to be more mantle like and they create

00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:36.240
like a new API that is maybe maybe it's backed by Kronos instead of uh Microsoft

00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:40.240
and now both of them will support that but it's maybe maybe as a wink wink

00:49:38.160 --> 00:49:43.799
nudge nudge as it's it's actually just mantle but now it's renamed it's not an

00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:47.920
AMD technology that seems much much more

00:49:46.240 --> 00:49:51.559
likely that's a possibility I had not actually considered very uh very

00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:55.200
interesting good point all right our next question is um when do you think

00:49:53.599 --> 00:50:02.079
ddr4 is coming and what are your thoughts on

00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:05.640
ddr4 uh ddr4 will be in the next

00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:08.040
Enterprise platform I guess uh what are

00:50:05.640 --> 00:50:12.559
it Haswell E I think will have ddr4 you know I've been through a lot of

00:50:10.720 --> 00:50:17.119
these DDR transitions I don't expect a whole lot um the CPUs don't take

00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:23.480
advantage of memory bandwidth improvements like gpus do and

00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:28.559
especially it's happened every instance DDR when it launched was slower than the

00:50:25.520 --> 00:50:31.680
top end SD RAM ddr2 was slower than DDR

00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:33.839
DDR3 was slower than ddr2 and I expect

00:50:31.680 --> 00:50:37.799
ddr4 will be slower than the top end DDR3 memory when it launches so it will

00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:42.200
take a little while for it to kind of catch on and adopt but I don't it's not

00:50:40.319 --> 00:50:46.079
going to solve any major bandwidth issues that the uh the processor has

00:50:44.359 --> 00:50:51.920
maybe to improve integrated graphics performance right so that would be a big

00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:53.920
plus yep I mean I guess the uh the the

00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:59.200
the three things guys are higher latencies higher bandwidth lower power

00:50:56.680 --> 00:51:04.079
consumption yay oh higher frequencies so four

00:50:59.960 --> 00:51:07.920
things so it's more of the

00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:10.079
same uh okay think uh that already does

00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:14.520
exist just got an SSD for my system best upgrade yet yes you're absolutely right

00:51:11.720 --> 00:51:18.040
Liam it absolutely is uh here's here's an interesting question why don't we

00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:23.960
make this our last one here Travis asks what is in your personal rig

00:51:21.720 --> 00:51:28.760
Ryan okay so that's an interesting question um because I have I guess I

00:51:26.799 --> 00:51:33.520
have two right so I've got the one at the office that I would say I spend the

00:51:30.319 --> 00:51:38.079
most time on but I do the least gaming

00:51:33.520 --> 00:51:40.839
on um my system at home that was was the

00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:44.680
primary gaming PC for a while was it's a uh

00:51:42.040 --> 00:51:50.280
3770k with probably 16 gigs of RAM in it I don't remember which one it is now and

00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:53.280
it had a GTX 580 in it so it's not even

00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:55.559
that new but people always give me crap

00:51:53.280 --> 00:52:01.400
for this cuz I don't like my my my primary PC you know what I do on it I

00:51:58.240 --> 00:52:03.680
write articles and make graphs uh the

00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:08.400
benefit of doing what I do is that literally as I sit here talking to you I

00:52:05.520 --> 00:52:14.200
can look at three computers that have uh an r9290 a GTX 780 and a 780 Ti in it

00:52:12.720 --> 00:52:21.880
and I can just go to any of those anytime I want a game and thanks to Cloud saves it all kind of works

00:52:17.680 --> 00:52:24.280
magically yeah um but that's that's kind

00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:29.640
of my copout answer I guess fair enough all right well thank

00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:33.079
you so much for joining us and okay I'm going to say this again I promise next

00:52:31.520 --> 00:52:38.240
time next time there will be no technical difficulties is it Me Maybe is am I

00:52:36.680 --> 00:52:42.000
causing this I don't want to be I don't want to be your bad luck Omen here I

00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:47.319
really think that it is actually you it's it's the ginger Factor so oh god um

00:52:45.720 --> 00:52:51.799
his laser eyes shot all the way over here in you can you can feel it coming

00:52:50.200 --> 00:52:55.799
through the internet wires I feel it yeah through the tubes all right thank

00:52:53.799 --> 00:52:59.160
you so much Ryan we'll talk to you soon and hopefully I'll see you at some kind

00:52:57.680 --> 00:53:03.520
of an upcoming event when someone invites us all somewhere nice there'll

00:53:01.240 --> 00:53:08.119
be I hope I don't have to go anywhere until CES so I'll see you then I'll see

00:53:06.040 --> 00:53:12.000
you there yeah okay that sounds good all right take care all right thanks

00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:16.839
guys all right well that wasn't too painful oh God it kind of was oh you had

00:53:15.040 --> 00:53:20.280
to hold the connector in place the whole time and I had to like my Knuckles are

00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:26.960
white the whole time cuz I had to hold it so hard okay oh brilliant okay so now we have do we have to go back to how it

00:53:23.799 --> 00:53:32.400
was we have to give me a

00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:35.200
sec oh no what's happening oh no what's

00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:40.720
happening okay just like murdered the mixer hopefully nothing actually

00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:43.240
died is it on it's on it's on okay it's

00:53:40.720 --> 00:53:46.960
on uh my my twitch chat's not updating anymore so I have no idea what's going

00:53:45.200 --> 00:53:52.000
on all right I think they can still hear us so

00:53:49.720 --> 00:53:58.760
let's uh let's keep on going here so this is oh no actually we have our

00:53:56.440 --> 00:54:03.240
sponsor well you do that I got to go running apparently there's a note with

00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:07.760
the cake that says information and instructions and more names and stuff

00:54:05.520 --> 00:54:14.000
information and instructions or something okay I got a

00:54:11.799 --> 00:54:19.400
whole bunch of different messages about more information about the I'm look at

00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:27.359
it okay but it's probably all a lie I mean you know this right yeah

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actually going to try and load it up here but I hate this keyboard um so

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decide to Tinker around in the HTML and CSS and whatever else you want and it

00:55:47.640 --> 00:55:53.359
looks like probably everyone's hitting it right now cuz it's a little bit on

00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:57.760
the slow side but no matter how hard we've hit it during our streams it never

00:55:55.119 --> 00:56:00.440
goes down and it does eventually load so we're just going to go ahead and try to

00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:04.319
refresh that because that's one of the things that they do do is they ensure

00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:09.160
that your site doesn't go down because they have like a flexible sort of

00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:11.079
bandwidth option so w wow this is

00:56:09.160 --> 00:56:15.119
actually the first time that it's ever not worked incredibly well and gone

00:56:12.680 --> 00:56:20.319
incredibly quickly I guess all 4,000 of you are probably hitting it right

00:56:17.520 --> 00:56:24.000
now oh no I think it actually has to do with the internet connection on this PC

00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:27.960
because I'm not even able to Twitch chat isn't even updating so all right well I

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00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:45.599
speaking of free trials we actually had a contest and we'll be announcing the

00:56:43.640 --> 00:56:48.640
winner at the end of the stream here where we had people design their own

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win their site for a year so that's pretty cool and I'm not sure what what's

00:56:55.119 --> 00:57:01.680
going on here but I'm going to try disconnecting from the phone and then reconnecting so that hopefully I will be

00:56:59.839 --> 00:57:07.400
able to pull up some articles here so we can actually continue this continue this

00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.400
Stream So what's our next

00:57:08.359 --> 00:57:13.359
topic welcome back I was totally reading

00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:20.119
something else let's go with the videogamer.com article about the

00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:22.520
Assassin's Creed producer saying that PC

00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:26.119
optimization quote unquote oh hey I'm reted to the phone I think the problem

00:57:24.160 --> 00:57:31.440
was I wasn't thing I'm sorry yeah I read the whole thing okay um okay

00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:36.079
so update Ubisoft has provided clarification on the comments made so

00:57:33.240 --> 00:57:41.200
the original allegation was that a Ubisoft staffer basically up and said

00:57:38.680 --> 00:57:45.960
nope the game's just not real optimized for PC and we don't care but but that

00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:51.520
was not actually what they meant what they meant is that in the development

00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:55.680
process they use the PC as an experimental platform to test things so

00:57:54.240 --> 00:58:00.960
so they don't they don't test the performance immediately they test all the Technologies immediately and test

00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:06.240
the performance later so if we add a bajillion particles every time a Canon

00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:09.119
fires let's like let's try that and then if it doesn't perform well enough okay

00:58:07.720 --> 00:58:14.400
we'll just throw a couple more graphics cards in there let's see what it looks like when it's rendered in real time so

00:58:12.200 --> 00:58:19.559
they use the PC to experiment and then they optimize down from there which is a

00:58:17.200 --> 00:58:24.119
100% acceptable way to use the PC as a gaming platform so once again The Gaming

00:58:22.319 --> 00:58:28.839
Community takes something out of context and blows it out proportion um on the

00:58:26.520 --> 00:58:33.160
other hand I mean compared to you know how it looks on the consoles our lower

00:58:31.200 --> 00:58:37.039
end PC really didn't run Assassin Creed 4 that well so compared to Battlefield 4

00:58:35.319 --> 00:58:41.920
where we were able to achieve similar image quality with an entry-level PC and

00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:47.000
the and the two consoles I I would make the argument that Assassin's Creed 4 is

00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:49.640
not as well PC optimized so there's also

00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:54.200
that yeah and and throwing that up there a little bit off topic from that um is

00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:57.200
that if you read the wording of the original report it does kind of sound

00:58:55.960 --> 00:59:01.760
like that because he doesn't really specify at which time yep so it like it

00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:06.319
could be how the question was phrased or whatever but you do have a point but at

00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:09.720
the same time like we couldn't make it look better or perform better but it's

00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:12.240
not that much worse either no it's not that much worse but we'll let you guys

00:59:11.160 --> 00:59:16.640
be the judge of that because we'll be uploading the footage later on so here

00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:21.240
was an article posted on the Forum by E chondo this the original article is from

00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:26.000
The Verge it's extremely long though so uh ich chondo conveniently gave us the

00:59:24.240 --> 00:59:32.000
highlight so basically the copyright Lobby has been asking

00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:36.480
for a curriculum to be added in California to teach elementary schoolers

00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:40.720
the value of copyright and dangers of piracy it's called be a Creator respect

00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:44.960
the person give credit it's great to create and copyright matters teachers

00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:48.920
are instructed to tell the class you're not old enough yet to be selling your

00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:53.200
pictures online but pretty soon you will be and you'll appreciate if the rest of

00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:57.680
us respect your work by not copying it and doing whatever we want with it

00:59:56.400 --> 01:00:00.799
the committee presented the curriculum in September for pilot testing in the

00:59:59.520 --> 01:00:05.039
current school year but as you might expect teachers associations are skeptical saying the modern curriculum

01:00:03.640 --> 01:00:09.359
is already full to bursting without the addition of copyright

01:00:07.319 --> 01:00:13.839
awareness couldn't have put it better myself don't copy that floppy yeah don't

01:00:11.839 --> 01:00:18.160
copy that floppy this video is amazing and uh conveniently it has been

01:00:16.160 --> 01:00:22.480
downloaded and then re-uploaded to YouTube so we can all enjoy

01:00:20.160 --> 01:00:25.280
it so guys if you haven't seen don't copy that floppy you should probably

01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:31.640
check it out I didn't realized when I first clicked on it I hadn't seen it before that it's over 9 minutes long

01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:36.000
yeah and it's like this terrible '90s rap no it's great it's terrible it's

01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:41.720
great it's terrible you don't understand the '90s if you think it's terrible no no I no I mean I know that I know that

01:00:39.720 --> 01:00:48.000
it's awesome but it's terrible but it's awesome it's hard to watch it's awesome

01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:51.280
whatever um moving on to our next topic

01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:55.440
also related to the

01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:58.000
MPAA so here's another one security

01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:01.640
at theat so the npaa wants Advanced anti-piracy measures at movie theaters

01:00:59.640 --> 01:01:05.119
like night vision goggles movie theaters aren't already making not enough money

01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:08.760
yeah so so they so there they should be equipping their staff with night vision

01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:13.119
goggles so they have updated their anti-piracy guidelines for movie

01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:17.760
theaters to basically um do a couple of things so number one is they're offering

01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:20.200
a $500 bounty to movie theater employees

01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:25.400
who are able to catch people pirating which honestly like if if oh man I guess

01:01:23.839 --> 01:01:29.280
the person would have to be taken into custody so there'd be no incentive for

01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:32.640
people to like team up make it like a and like try to collect $500 bounties

01:01:31.520 --> 01:01:38.599
what if you got someone that was underage though yeah oh I wonder so you

01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:42.400
get like get all your siblings and like catch them all copying movies and like

01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:46.039
cuz if they're underage they can't go to jail anyway it won't stay on their

01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:49.559
record so there's that um some pre-release screenings and premieres

01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:53.400
have employees often equipped with night vision goggles and instructed to closely

01:01:51.359 --> 01:01:56.599
monitor movie goers in some cases members of the public are as has to hand

01:01:54.880 --> 01:02:00.440
over all recording capable devices including phones and Candy not that

01:01:58.799 --> 01:02:03.920
candy can record but just because you might be able to like conceal a camera

01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:06.880
within a bag of candy I suppose I mean or or because they're trying to sell it

01:02:05.200 --> 01:02:12.039
in the concessions my biggest thing is that they can search you yeah so they

01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:13.319
can search you now um which is like what

01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:17.640
prohibiting the use of equipment that can record audio video or even take

01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:23.599
photographs I mean how extreme is this does anyone actually watch

01:02:20.359 --> 01:02:27.400
cams like okay seriously I actually

01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:29.240
never have okay shyness shyness okay out

01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:33.920
to all you viewers guys hit us up on Twitch chat or tweet us with this do you

01:02:32.279 --> 01:02:39.720
okay you don't have to admit you're a pirate okay but what you can say is I

01:02:36.839 --> 01:02:45.400
would watch a cam some you've probably encountered a cam you know rip at some

01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:50.680
point or another they're terrible they're just terrible like I I was I was

01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:55.160
somewhere someone was watching a cam not that long ago and within about 5 seconds

01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:58.760
I was like this is unwatch why why would you even watch the movie like this I'll

01:02:56.480 --> 01:03:03.440
wait like I'll wait and I'll watch it in a like just I can't watch it in the

01:03:00.359 --> 01:03:05.279
theater because it's like $ each and I

01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:09.480
have a baby and it's hard to get out doesn't mean that I'm going to watch it

01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:11.079
like this yeah and like I'm usually only

01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:14.440
going to watch a movie Once usually there are some movies that I've watched

01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:17.760
like Serenity I've watched 10 bajillion times Firefly I've watched 10 bajillion

01:03:16.279 --> 01:03:22.839
times but I'm usually only going to watch something once so if I'm going to watch it I'm not going to watch a caming

01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:30.640
I'll just wait and watch it later cuz it's going to be way better in way sound

01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:32.880
too oh my God sound on cams is terrible

01:03:30.640 --> 01:03:38.599
practically worthless terrible someone says uh some something

01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:41.760
about cam girls okay that makes sense okay well that a cam would be would be

01:03:40.520 --> 01:03:47.640
more appropriate because I'm not expecting the Blu-ray of like you know

01:03:44.680 --> 01:03:52.000
um Angie flirts a lot or whatever her name would be on the other end of a cam

01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:56.839
show to I think we've gotten derailed a little bit here um

01:03:55.119 --> 01:04:00.640
okay so it seems like yeah it seems like there's a fair bit of yeah well I'll

01:03:58.839 --> 01:04:06.240
I'll wait for Blu-ray or I'll or I'll rent or I'll wait for Netflix or some

01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:07.960
kind of reasonable quality that isn't

01:04:06.240 --> 01:04:11.200
terrible I mean to me honestly the video quality isn't even a big deal uh to me

01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:15.319
the one that bothers me is the sound quality the audio is always terrible if I just can't hear a bloody thing

01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:19.559
anyone's saying then what's the point yeah all right so let's talk about the

01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:23.240
topic that uh unfortunately I would have I thought you and Ryan Ryan's going to

01:04:21.240 --> 01:04:28.559
have some interesting thoughts on this once he once he looks into it but this

01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:31.240
is actually fairly recent news um LSI is

01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:35.119
talking about their new generation controller so it's going to have

01:04:32.680 --> 01:04:40.319
sandforce branding it's sandforce 3700 series I actually reached out to ad data

01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:45.079
already and I'm like hey um are you are you guys going to have this and they're

01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:48.039
like hey yeah don't worry about it soon

01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:51.880
I'm like yes so uh what this is going to do is it's going to build on the same

01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:57.160
technology that we've had for really an awfully long time with San Force to

01:04:55.079 --> 01:05:00.839
which uh is their ability to compress and decompress data on the Fly this has

01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:04.760
a couple of effects it improves perceived performance well Real

01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:07.839
Performance really and number two is it actually makes your SSD last longer

01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:13.279
because you're committing less data to flash so the the less you write to your

01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:17.160
SSD the longer it will live um and at the time when it was launched it was it

01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:21.440
was revolutionary because it also was able to take slow Nan Flash and squeeze

01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:25.720
unheard of performance out of it well now we are past the point where the

01:05:23.520 --> 01:05:29.599
flash it self is actually the bottleneck and we are on to the point where SATA 36

01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:34.520
gbit per second has become the bigger bottleneck well this this my friends is

01:05:32.200 --> 01:05:40.359
how sandforce 3 as I'll be calling it is going to address that because it

01:05:36.799 --> 01:05:44.279
features both a SATA 3 interface and a

01:05:40.359 --> 01:05:47.000
native PCI Express interface on the same

01:05:44.279 --> 01:05:52.200
chip so instead of having cluggy Bridge chip Solutions and like like like sort

01:05:50.200 --> 01:05:55.920
sort of we'd have like PCI Express to SATA Bridge chips and then those running

01:05:54.279 --> 01:06:01.359
to raid controllers and then those running to what are essentially a bunch

01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:03.200
of normal ssds laid out on a PCB with

01:06:01.359 --> 01:06:06.200
SATA wires running through the PCB I mean that's what they were that's what

01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:10.799
products like Revo Drive were we're going to be looking at instead a

01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:16.000
controller that can actually address a massive amount of Flash in a highly

01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:18.200
parallelized fashion over a much much

01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:24.559
faster bus I mean even if I recall correctly PCIe Gen 2 1X is 500 megabytes

01:06:23.520 --> 01:06:30.720
per second so I believe PCI E 31x would be 1 gab

01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:35.520
per second can you look that up so that I'm not quoting the wrong numbers here

01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:37.119
it might be 500 for Gen 3 but uh maybe

01:06:35.520 --> 01:06:42.079
someone in twitch chat wants to correct me I'm talking out of the uh I'm talking

01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:46.400
out of my butt here I'm having internet issues okay well at any rate okay so

01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:50.079
basically it's much much faster than SATA 3 is capable of being and you'll be

01:06:48.240 --> 01:06:53.039
able to plug that directly into a PCI Express slot so there's going to be a

01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:56.920
variety of different flavors of it intended for entry level we're actually

01:06:54.839 --> 01:07:01.319
going to go back to the uh the post on the Forum from digital nav so there's

01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:05.720
going to be entry level and that's going to be optimized for things like msata or

01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:11.200
ngff sockets and then there's going to be mainstream client which is going to

01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:13.359
be like more advanced mini PCIe type of

01:07:11.200 --> 01:07:17.599
implementations then there's Enthusiast which is going to be 2 and 1/2 inch or

01:07:15.640 --> 01:07:24.240
you know PCIe cards and that's going to support up to PCIe 4X and full power

01:07:21.720 --> 01:07:28.240
fail um protection so that's really cool and then all the way up to Enterprise

01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:31.799
Products so this is extremely exciting because it's been quite a while since

01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:35.640
we've been seen significant innovation in SSD performance I mean we've been

01:07:33.720 --> 01:07:40.359
limited by SATA for quite some time now I mean Samsung's done some cool stuff

01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:43.680
with things like their RAM caching yeah but we've we've we've had like you kind

01:07:42.279 --> 01:07:48.400
of just said we've had for a long time a new SSD comes out and it's like oh it's

01:07:45.839 --> 01:07:52.400
basically the same as the last one okay and then people just kind of like

01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:55.039
stopped releasing new ssds for a while there it was like every few weeks so oh

01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:58.760
there's another one oh there's another one but then yeah yeah that went on for

01:07:57.240 --> 01:08:03.119
a long time I mean that wasn't that wasn't bound to be sustainable anyway we

01:08:01.279 --> 01:08:08.359
all we all should have known that yeah my internet's down again too so is is

01:08:05.720 --> 01:08:12.400
yours back up mine is like semi up I'm trying to find here it is right there

01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:17.799
right there I need I need gen three okay PCI Express 3 blah blah blah blah blah

01:08:15.040 --> 01:08:22.319
blah yep oh I was right awesome8 GT bit rate so about 1 Gigabyte

01:08:20.440 --> 01:08:28.759
per second for for a 1x link so if you have a 4X link we're talking 4 G btes

01:08:25.239 --> 01:08:32.199
per second monstrous all right so we're

01:08:28.759 --> 01:08:35.920
about to have our best EA moment I love

01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:37.960
this in probably months um this makes me

01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:42.719
I don't know why but it makes me more happy than it makes me angry really this

01:08:40.080 --> 01:08:47.120
makes you happy I I just so Need for Speed Rivals is locked at 30 frames per

01:08:45.480 --> 01:08:55.719
second on the PC this was posted by pmit g whatever

01:08:51.040 --> 01:08:58.480
you pronounce that um really EA like

01:08:55.719 --> 01:09:04.159
really the best one the best one is when he brings it Beyond 60 FPS okay so hold

01:09:01.799 --> 01:09:10.000
on hold so there's a total there's a total biscuit video about this which is

01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:11.799
which is amazing and um so beyond

01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:15.719
limiting the game to 30 frames per second like like like I mean that that

01:09:14.040 --> 01:09:21.159
is probably the worst carryover I've ever seen from a console Port this aside

01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:24.880
from like like press start to continue where they don't even bother to like

01:09:22.759 --> 01:09:30.679
rename anything change the word to enter I mean this is terrible so get this if

01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:35.040
you hack the config files and manage to get it running at 60 FPS the game runs

01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:39.400
twice as fast it's a commit it's yeah it's not hack the game okay I'm using it

01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:44.520
colloquially okay I haven't seen that since like

01:09:41.799 --> 01:09:49.799
Commander Keen okay seriously he got it he he got it

01:09:47.799 --> 01:09:53.040
faster than two times as fast too I I don't think he actually got it to 120

01:09:51.440 --> 01:09:57.679
FPS but he got it pretty high and it's just hilarious and the rest of the game

01:09:54.960 --> 01:10:00.880
doesn't run as fast as you do either so if you do this you're like way faster

01:09:59.920 --> 01:10:05.800
than all the other cars that you're supposed to be chasing but you can't control yourself

01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:09.000
because you're going so quickly so you just kind of like smash into

01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:17.719
everything it's hilarious EA is basically programming for

01:10:14.440 --> 01:10:20.520
Doss this yeah like are they not

01:10:17.719 --> 01:10:25.840
familiar with the with the timer that's built into Windows to prevent this I

01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:29.400
just I gave up um with Need for Speed once they once like the original crew

01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:32.679
that was making Need for Speed left because I feel like it lost all of its

01:10:31.400 --> 01:10:38.360
like it doesn't feel like the same game anymore um and ever since then like just

01:10:36.360 --> 01:10:43.400
all the bad seems to be coming from it and that just that wreaks of all the

01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:49.520
bad like why ridiculous anyways let's move on to

01:10:46.080 --> 01:10:51.080
this topic okay so um PlayStation 4

01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:55.920
they're all defective they all have dead HDMI ports or something once again once

01:10:53.960 --> 01:11:02.040
again people overreacting a little bit but check this out this is actually kind

01:10:58.320 --> 01:11:05.080
of uh here we go I mean it seems like no

01:11:02.040 --> 01:11:07.560
console launch can exist without uh

01:11:05.080 --> 01:11:12.960
without some kind of you know epic Hardware failure so here's a here's a

01:11:15.440 --> 01:11:22.199
Vine oh no yeah okay so basically Xbox

01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:24.880
Xbox Ones are are scratching discs that's a new thing there's actually a

01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:29.080
huge warning right on the front of it that says don't move the console while

01:11:27.400 --> 01:11:33.679
you know anything's going on then there's a there's a fair number of posts

01:11:31.120 --> 01:11:36.679
what I suspect so okay so Microsoft staff we're terribly sorry for the

01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:39.840
problems with the disc drive to make up for that we'll be replacing the games so

01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:45.600
you can buy them digitally we'll be doing this we'll doing that I'm pretty sure that's not actually a real thing um

01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:50.960
pretty sure he just wrote that oh Sor don't quote that as Microsoft no not

01:11:47.440 --> 01:11:53.400
quot not not quoting that so I mean

01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:56.440
we've seen all this before Xbox 360 and that's what that's what they did with

01:11:54.719 --> 01:12:00.719
Xbox 360 is they just they dealt with the games so we'll see probably

01:11:59.400 --> 01:12:06.639
something similar I really don't think it's the end of the world this quote if you read the whole thing goes on to to

01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:12.040
make fun of physical media which shouldn't exist anymore but uh whatever

01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:16.639
man I don't actually necessarily care about the disc I just kind of want the

01:12:14.320 --> 01:12:20.280
Box well then you can just 3D print a box but then it's not as good so we'll

01:12:18.320 --> 01:12:26.320
come full circle box yeah we'll come full circle to physical media being

01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:27.600
irrelevant and then relevant again I'm

01:12:26.320 --> 01:12:31.679
cool with that you just make you just make your own digital download and then

01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:35.560
make your own one anyway you can digital download the game which is literally

01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:40.840
digitally downloading the 3D printable game yeah you can digital download board

01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:43.360
games yeah exactly there you go that'll

01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:48.120
be a thing and someone's like these are 40 gig games it's like

01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:50.960
okay that's a thing that's why that might be coming back around again

01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:54.440
actually people might need discs again because it'll take too damn long to

01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:58.080
download games okay that's internet infrastructure isn't

01:12:56.600 --> 01:13:03.880
going as fast as it should be okay but on the other hand it's not like steam hasn't figured this out pre-download be

01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:06.639
ready to play when it launches yeah but games are still getting bigger people

01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:11.880
were pre- downloading Cod and just being like what I can't even figure out why

01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:15.360
cod's so big because they're lying I swear to God they were lying about their

01:13:13.679 --> 01:13:20.080
RAM they probably have just gigantic empty files like seriously so I think

01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:24.239
someone's going to find all the ginormous files that claim to be

01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:27.280
textures and aren't yeah because like it's I wouldn't be surprised at all

01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:32.040
because like the six gab thing was complete crap okay or there's going to

01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:34.880
be like 25 gigs of DLC that turns out to

01:13:32.040 --> 01:13:40.120
be like he's already in several several million skins for the

01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:42.080
dog that's what it'll be dog armor any

01:13:40.120 --> 01:13:46.040
type of dog and then any type of mixed breed

01:13:43.400 --> 01:13:51.679
dog and then any color of all of those things goldplated dog yeah goldplated

01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:54.239
dog 300 300 head shots get a goldplated

01:13:51.679 --> 01:13:57.199
dog I'm I'm clearly having a bit of a rough day here so I don't know how much

01:13:55.920 --> 01:14:04.840
longer we're going to keep going but this is extremely exciting so here is a

01:14:01.120 --> 01:14:08.320
o go away wow much gold plate okay thank

01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:08.320
you for the ad okay there we

01:14:08.679 --> 01:14:17.000
go can't say that man so posted by C

01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:20.719
Gutman on XDA Developers this is the

01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:23.360
GitHub project and it is very very cool

01:14:20.719 --> 01:14:26.560
so with Qualcomm s so's as well as with Tegra 4S although I can't think of many

01:14:25.040 --> 01:14:30.920
Tegra 4 devices where this would be relevant because so far they're all made

01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:36.199
by NVIDIA and support gamestream anyway but there are five updates now on a

01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:37.360
project that has additional controller

01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:42.120
support so you're not going to be limited to just the uh the controller

01:14:39.639 --> 01:14:45.239
built into the Shield or you know whatever controllers happen to be

01:14:43.320 --> 01:14:50.920
compatible with that particular device so MOA Pro PS3 Xbox and shield

01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:54.440
controllers are working with it um we are going to have gam stream to your

01:14:52.679 --> 01:14:57.760
mobile device now there's still some restrictions so you're still going to

01:14:55.880 --> 01:15:02.840
need a good Wireless implementation so if you have something like an S4 with AC

01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:05.440
Wireless or or an HTC1 with AC Wireless

01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:10.080
that's going to work well and they are they're able to add multi-threaded h264

01:15:08.360 --> 01:15:15.199
decoding to the point where as long as you have something that's reasonably high performance so tgra 3 is working

01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:19.440
okay but not well enough you are going to be able to use NVIDIA game

01:15:17.360 --> 01:15:24.440
stream that's actually pretty freaking cool which is amazing so you can get a

01:15:22.040 --> 01:15:30.560
demo of the in progress APK and then uh so we've had success

01:15:27.320 --> 01:15:33.360
with uh low h264 decoding latency on

01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:37.920
Snapdragon S4 Pro 600 devices like the Nexus 7 and

01:15:35.120 --> 01:15:43.800
HTC1 um no we just need everything to have HDMI out yeah like that's awesome

01:15:41.719 --> 01:15:47.360
Isn't that cool I I had briefly read over this I didn't really yeah that's

01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:51.800
because I want my phone to be able to do that that was my whole thing I believe I

01:15:49.040 --> 01:15:56.000
already brought this up with you so as much as I don't think Shield is the

01:15:53.520 --> 01:16:00.760
future I think streaming technology is the future and this actually ties in

01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:07.080
very closely to I really hope I posted this in the

01:16:04.440 --> 01:16:13.000
dock because I don't see it right now uh steam's uh steam's group where you'll be

01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:16.679
able to try their game streaming feature

01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:19.679
I don't think so steam streaming stream

01:16:16.679 --> 01:16:22.000
streaming stream steaming your stream

01:16:19.679 --> 01:16:26.719
will be clean that should be a thing stream

01:16:24.719 --> 01:16:31.560
steaming that should be a that should be a group of guys on Twitch should be

01:16:28.400 --> 01:16:33.440
stream stream Steamers twitch should

01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:36.560
have stream Steamers and they should go around to different twitch channels and

01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:41.639
like clean out all the spam so guys check this out steam inhome streaming is

01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:45.560
a way for people with a good home network to seamlessly play their Steam

01:16:43.520 --> 01:16:49.159
games between two computers anywhere in the house the feature will be available

01:16:47.400 --> 01:16:51.920
for early feedback in an upcoming beta test and beta participants will be

01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:56.120
randomly selected for members of this group so join

01:16:53.800 --> 01:17:01.199
go join this group so you can try it out because it sounds absolutely amazing

01:16:58.440 --> 01:17:06.120
they have a Q&A on the page but it looks like one of the things that had me most

01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:10.199
excited about Steam OS is actually just going to be a thing that valve's going

01:17:07.880 --> 01:17:16.920
to be trying to bring to their platform in general how freaking exciting is that

01:17:14.320 --> 01:17:20.600
because there is no reason why a gigabit Ethernet connection couldn't handle

01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:26.159
1080p streaming which means that unless you have a 4K TV which you don't

01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:30.480
well I I really don't think anyone watching has a 4K TV someone is probably

01:17:28.639 --> 01:17:34.560
going to say they do just to troll you and then there's going to be the one dude that actually does and he's going

01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:39.840
to try and say it everyone's going to assume he's trolling to tell them that he doesn't see there so there's no way

01:17:38.080 --> 01:17:43.400
seven people that already said they do there's no way that I can be wrong so

01:17:41.679 --> 01:17:48.400
anyway you can you'll be able to stream 1080p from your powerful game I mean

01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:53.280
this is what I wanted personal cloud to me is the future I mean being able to

01:17:51.080 --> 01:17:59.320
build your own cloud storage your own gaming your own cloud ah so cool and I

01:17:57.199 --> 01:18:02.000
was we were worried about it like okay I don't know if you were necessarily

01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:05.920
worried about it I was kind of the whole Cloud thing being I've pretty much had a

01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:09.480
hard phone on it from like day one yeah yeah did I say hard phone you definitely

01:18:07.280 --> 01:18:13.400
said hard phone I'm hard phone on it I mean what does that even

01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:19.440
mean I am so tired that's why I disagreed with you cuz I was like

01:18:15.280 --> 01:18:21.960
whatever that is it's awesome so

01:18:19.440 --> 01:18:24.480
sure but yeah I I wanted private Cloud forever and I was worried because

01:18:23.120 --> 01:18:28.040
everything was going external Cloud but then the NSA came out was all jerks and

01:18:26.360 --> 01:18:32.239
then everyone's like oh private Cloud I'm like yay I wanted that anyway so

01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:37.360
that works for me what are you going to hard phone next I think I'm just done

01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:42.480
here thank you guys very much for watching The W show today um and putting

01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:46.320
up with the technical difficulties that we went through as usual I'm sorry that

01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:50.800
I couldn't be a little bit more together today but we it's it has been an

01:18:48.360 --> 01:18:54.920
extremely trying week yeah actually we had a shoot on Monday that was that was

01:18:52.480 --> 01:18:59.600
an on location shoot and then on Tuesday I don't even know what happened

01:18:57.320 --> 01:19:04.280
Tuesday Tuesday I was catching up last week was a short week due to Remembrance

01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:08.560
Day short weeks kind of demolish us so I mean we didn't have enough time to get

01:19:05.639 --> 01:19:11.960
everything done in the first place um oh oh Chris has Hangouts uh slick will do

01:19:10.440 --> 01:19:18.360
Hangouts I'm just going to leave after I do my apology for being terrible at

01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:21.960
streaming um no no Chris says see Chris

01:19:18.360 --> 01:19:24.800
says build blogs on Hangouts Okay okay

01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:29.280
we got it hard phone is that a hard phone I mean Wednesday Wednesday I don't

01:19:27.400 --> 01:19:34.280
know what happened I think I filmed things and then yesterday I oh I spent

01:19:32.360 --> 01:19:38.000
most of Wednesday and Thursday trying to get HDMI capture working and then I'm

01:19:36.520 --> 01:19:42.400
going to spend most of tonight editing a video and then I'm flying out tonight or

01:19:40.400 --> 01:19:46.080
this morning I still have to do Xbox one yeah which has been creepily watching us

01:19:44.239 --> 01:19:51.880
this whole time the red lights really throw me off yeah it actually is like

01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:53.560
the three like dark dim deep red lights

01:19:51.880 --> 01:19:57.800
that are in the middle of the connect are just creepy it's good thing it's not

01:19:55.840 --> 01:20:03.840
two if you it's like two and then one underneath but if you drag down it's a

01:19:59.719 --> 01:20:07.639
Diablo symbol Dia 3 like if you were

01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:11.080
able to yeah I think I'm done

01:20:07.639 --> 01:20:13.920
here use this for what oh did I does it

01:20:11.080 --> 01:20:19.440
even have office on it I don't know but I have HDMI on this laptop oh well will

01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:21.159
it work probably let's find out shall we

01:20:19.440 --> 01:20:25.560
anything let's have some more technical difficulties on this stream bring on the

01:20:23.360 --> 01:20:29.560
technical difficulties all the technical difficulties guys maybe next week maybe

01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:33.159
next week we should do our campaign where we ask for money to buy equipment

01:20:31.639 --> 01:20:36.679
that will allow us to not have to deal with this all the time maybe next week

01:20:34.679 --> 01:20:41.440
we can not be putting the whole set together 5 minutes before the show uh

01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:45.159
was it five well I don't know maybe I'd like to hear what these guys think in

01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:49.440
twitch chat would you guys rather we bring you the image quality comparison

01:20:47.360 --> 01:20:52.360
right away oh the giveaway oh I still need to uh yeah everyone is asking about

01:20:51.040 --> 01:20:59.760
this thing I while you do while you do build um I'll I'll figure that

01:20:55.920 --> 01:21:02.239
out hey it works no problem at all

01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:08.239
hooray okay um yeah are do you are you guys

01:21:06.320 --> 01:21:10.679
happy that we had sort of technical difficulties with the stream but we're

01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:16.560
going to bring you our image quality comparison right away or would you have rather waited for

01:21:14.320 --> 01:21:22.040
that someone says do the image quality comparison now do it now I don't know

01:21:20.480 --> 01:21:26.840
where I'm supposed to get this get in the chopper

01:21:23.719 --> 01:21:26.840
probably that

01:21:27.320 --> 01:21:33.960
thing so people are happy they'd rather

01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:37.600
that we have a terrible terrible show so okay the cake I went down okay so what's

01:21:36.440 --> 01:21:43.280
going on with the cake maybe I'll eat some C I looked on the cake I looked at the sides of the cake I looked under the

01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:47.800
cake I didn't look in the cake cuz I was going to wait until you had an

01:21:44.760 --> 01:21:50.679
opportunity there's no names there's

01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:54.800
nothing I'm not sure I don't have any of the infos wait so we do or we don't know

01:21:52.400 --> 01:21:58.800
who sent it we don't well I'm I know it was like Chris and that group of guys

01:21:57.040 --> 01:22:04.880
like it was the mods and a few other guys but I don't know exactly who it

01:22:02.520 --> 01:22:09.040
was all righty then I'm sure one of them can tell me and I don't like I think

01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:12.840
it's like I don't know if it's for a reason more than the fact that it's a

01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:16.239
fan which is a no fan which makes sense and is

01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:19.840
awesome yeah I think it's awesome that might just be the extent of the reason

01:22:18.080 --> 01:22:25.120
but like I don't know if there's I don't know I'm really not a

01:22:22.080 --> 01:22:26.520
big fan of this this laptop the blooping

01:22:25.120 --> 01:22:29.719
sound that's happening well I'm trying to mute it and like the function key

01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:32.840
seems to just not do anything cuz it's just like oh well

01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:38.320
pressing F7 does something apparently there was a

01:22:36.480 --> 01:22:41.600
reason for what you're talking to me right now oh there's like a compell okay

01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:44.400
well I'll go get that once I'm done finding my giveaway winner you should do

01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:49.239
build logs of the week at some point here I'm trying you're trying are you

01:22:46.400 --> 01:22:53.600
trying are you trying are you trying is this your new form of trolling

01:22:52.120 --> 01:22:56.760
you just said say the same word over again I think the real question here is

01:22:55.800 --> 01:23:01.679
am I trying but are you try like trying

01:22:59.280 --> 01:23:04.679
patience heart phone are you hard phone hard phone I'm always hard

01:23:06.120 --> 01:23:14.639
phone oh oh it's a birthday

01:23:11.679 --> 01:23:19.080
cake apparently lonus Tech tips is five on the 28th

01:23:16.400 --> 01:23:23.840
oh I was like okay I don't think it's anyone's birthday but that's cool ah

01:23:21.480 --> 01:23:28.679
it's lonus Tech birthday I didn't even know it's funny because someone someone

01:23:27.080 --> 01:23:32.280
tweeted me asking if I had anything special planned for like the fifth

01:23:30.679 --> 01:23:35.480
anniversary of lonus tech tips I was like we're

01:23:36.080 --> 01:23:41.120
five no I I don't even celebrate my own

01:23:39.440 --> 01:23:45.679
birthday you can definitely tell me and him remember like anniversaries and

01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:49.320
stuff no well I okay I remember them you put it in a calendar yeah yeah so you

01:23:47.639 --> 01:23:56.080
don't remember it no so apparently it was from Dave St

01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:59.920
strr mape dim ghost wher erino Glenn

01:23:56.080 --> 01:24:01.840
ixie Jay Knight and fox that is awesome

01:23:59.920 --> 01:24:05.639
thank you so much guys and don't let that yawn sound unappreciative I do

01:24:04.280 --> 01:24:11.320
appreciate it very much I'm just extremely tired and yeah I was right

01:24:08.280 --> 01:24:12.920
wher sent it that's awesome wher's the

01:24:11.320 --> 01:24:17.960
Canadian one so he ends up having to actually send all the

01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:26.040
things I might load up all these Squarespace sites and then just let uh

01:24:23.639 --> 01:24:29.280
let uh everyone see them first before I go ahead and pick the winner so go ahead

01:24:27.400 --> 01:24:34.600
and do build blogs I I still don't it has to it's I didn't do build logs this

01:24:32.679 --> 01:24:38.440
week I didn't have any time how long does it take to download like seriously

01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:42.920
a minute to download well we have other topics so you can find something to talk

01:24:40.440 --> 01:24:48.480
about okay what exactly are you doing I'm

01:24:46.639 --> 01:24:54.880
working okay I'm working on things okay give me

01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:57.280
a second what other topics do we

01:24:54.880 --> 01:25:04.400
have there's some quick fire topics I'm that's I'm looking Apple dictionary

01:24:59.280 --> 01:25:05.630
definition of gay includes stupid

01:25:04.400 --> 01:25:08.600
yep

01:25:08.600 --> 01:25:14.320
what is that better or

01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:21.760
worse that's very debatable isn't it I mean if they take out the part about um

01:25:19.360 --> 01:25:26.440
like homosexual if they take that out and only leave in stupid well no because

01:25:24.040 --> 01:25:32.080
you can have multiple definitions so for example the the f word not the not the

01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:37.600
that one but the like that one the other one um you know like there's multiple

01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:42.280
definitions so derogatory this bundle of sticks and twigs um I think there's at

01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:46.800
least a couple other ones and it's actually used as like or was at some

01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:50.080
point yeah but in certain areas of so like if you were to if you were to take

01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:56.080
the word gay and you were to say you know um homosexual archaic or something

01:25:53.480 --> 01:25:59.719
like that and you were to upate I wish they would do that though but the

01:25:57.320 --> 01:26:04.239
problem is that I know gay people that say I'm gay and I'm like okay no not me

01:26:02.679 --> 01:26:09.239
but like they are I just can't communicate right now I shouldn't even be trying to talk about something this

01:26:06.719 --> 01:26:14.080
touchy but you know gay people that say you didn't quote I'm gay yes so so I

01:26:12.639 --> 01:26:18.000
kind of look at like okay well if you use it that way we can't really we can't

01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:22.320
just say well it doesn't mean that anymore I'm sorry your word is gone

01:26:20.320 --> 01:26:27.119
that's true you have to make a new word yeah it'll have to be like puku or

01:26:24.679 --> 01:26:31.440
something yeah puku would be a perfect word for it hello sir I am puku well I

01:26:29.360 --> 01:26:36.000
don't think most people are I mean maybe in the future people can just you know

01:26:33.360 --> 01:26:41.520
not have to worry about concealing their pess they we live in Canada pity I don't

01:26:39.360 --> 01:26:45.280
think it's audity I don't think people have to hide their peity in Canada not

01:26:43.600 --> 01:26:49.800
as much that's for sure I don't know anyone actually that hides it that is

01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:54.679
whoa well how would you know anyone who yeah

01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:58.280
see yeah but most my friends that are

01:26:54.679 --> 01:26:59.719
puku are very open and happy about it is

01:26:58.280 --> 01:27:02.639
no issue because are we starting something here I'm trying to start I

01:27:01.280 --> 01:27:07.639
hope not no we shouldn't start this I didn't even why AR we starting this why

01:27:05.080 --> 01:27:12.520
what is the spelling for puku puku well p o o k l okay yeah yeah yeah yeah

01:27:11.360 --> 01:27:16.880
there's only one way to spell it well well because people are spelling it other ways in the chat no no they're

01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:20.800
wrong so I thought we might as well give them the proper dictionary spelling of

01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:27.199
puku do you know how the word quiz was came to be no someone bet someone else

01:27:23.719 --> 01:27:29.000
that they could invent a word and um the

01:27:27.199 --> 01:27:34.000
way that they achieved it was they hired a bunch of school boys to run around

01:27:31.199 --> 01:27:38.760
town writing this word everywhere and it became a word people

01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:45.080
started using it true story that's actually hilarious

01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:47.000
so if we get all of the people watching

01:27:45.080 --> 01:27:51.560
in the chat to go write this word all over for ex that I don't actually think

01:27:49.480 --> 01:27:54.440
that the word puku is an appropriate one for what we're talking talking

01:27:56.000 --> 01:28:02.800
about cuz it just sounds kind of stupid

01:27:59.360 --> 01:28:05.119
so come with a better one well I I'm

01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:10.000
tired I'm tired and cranky do you have build logs what are you do no I don't

01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:11.560
what are you even doing I'm working what

01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:15.239
is this are you working why does anyone even watch this

01:28:13.719 --> 01:28:24.040
stream well technically we're after hours so are we is this after party

01:28:17.400 --> 01:28:24.040
legally no legally no yeah exactly

01:28:24.080 --> 01:28:29.719
whatever don't pretend you started work at 9:30 today I did did you earlier than

01:28:28.400 --> 01:28:33.800
that actually cuz I know I know some days when I'm not year you kind of set

01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:37.040
Flex hours some days you never show up on time

01:28:35.040 --> 01:28:40.920
either just saying why do people watch this stream

01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:45.000
well I know why they watch the real stream I don't know why they're watching what we're doing right now why are you

01:28:43.679 --> 01:28:48.679
people watching what we're doing right now are we are we are we truly

01:28:46.719 --> 01:28:54.000
entertaining or is our is our like married coupless just frustrating to

01:28:51.280 --> 01:28:54.000
behold

01:28:54.719 --> 01:29:03.960
well well I'm done now I believe that the well no screw you I'm going wow

01:29:01.679 --> 01:29:10.000
that's how it's going to be the first one I don't think uh the name of the guy

01:29:07.360 --> 01:29:16.600
would be super happy with pukis

01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:18.360
pukis pity pity sorry sorry project pity

01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:23.360
Pope Pope I thought the new pope doesn't care

01:29:21.480 --> 01:29:28.320
I thought that's oh yeah he's like cool and stuff yeah okay never mind sorry so

01:29:26.119 --> 01:29:31.639
this is a pretty boss computer you know how you get to change your name when you

01:29:29.560 --> 01:29:35.280
become the pope what you can yeah I would totally be Pope cool I well I

01:29:34.040 --> 01:29:38.679
think there's a list of names that you can pick from though like you know how

01:29:37.360 --> 01:29:46.360
there's been a bunch of Pope Benedicts did you know there was a pope lonus at one point that's pretty cool

01:29:42.199 --> 01:29:46.360
yeah maybe it's bound to happen

01:29:48.360 --> 01:29:55.320
again this computer is actually pretty ridiculously Beast is that four p pumps

01:29:53.320 --> 01:29:58.760
seriously does that look like four pumps to you I can't even see on your screen

01:29:57.440 --> 01:30:03.600
what a terrible screen I hate it yeah my screen's really bad uh yes wow awesome

01:30:01.719 --> 01:30:07.199
that's amazing that is Beast part of the problem is that lions and I have both

01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:10.239
not seen this before that is kind of incredible I really like his runs

01:30:09.040 --> 01:30:16.360
they're really straight and if you can see there's his yeah you might say he's

01:30:12.080 --> 01:30:16.360
got mad runs he just water cooled

01:30:17.320 --> 01:30:24.119
all he's got the runs he's got them in his

01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:26.480
computer I

01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:30.280
I I I got it you might even say his computer runs like really

01:30:32.719 --> 01:30:38.119
well oh my God I'm sorry uh

01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:43.600
P but this is probably there we go

01:30:42.320 --> 01:30:47.360
there's some better shots of his actual mobo that's some pretty intense water

01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:52.800
cooling all the things he's got going on wow yeah that's incredible what a great

01:30:50.679 --> 01:30:57.320
build normally I don't like builds where people can't really seem to decide on a

01:30:54.920 --> 01:31:01.199
uh on a color scheme it's pretty cool yeah I like it

01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:05.280
yeah that worked out pretty well I think he's got I can't really tell I think he

01:31:04.080 --> 01:31:08.960
might have two Loops he has to because of the color but

01:31:07.440 --> 01:31:13.840
I don't see the rest of it that's the problem so I think some people with this

01:31:11.320 --> 01:31:18.920
whole Squarespace website giveaway were um not taking it entirely

01:31:16.679 --> 01:31:24.560
seriously no I'll show you later don't worry it's coming okay moving on big

01:31:22.080 --> 01:31:29.800
Lilo with Obi-Wan Shinobi that's an amazing name oh my God that's an amazing

01:31:26.840 --> 01:31:38.199
name yeah I know Obi-Wan Shinobi wow I love it that's so good um x58

01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:40.760
board really oh it's clean huh I think

01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:46.159
it's just an overall 750s older rig with uh you know an

01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:50.760
update or whatever whatever it looks really

01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:55.560
nice I love that res very clean I was so stoked with my T

01:31:54.280 --> 01:32:01.880
Virus when I first got it you move the mouse around so they can see what you're looking at then that

01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:05.719
helps love how your demonstration was just

01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:08.080
like I couldn't see what I was doing smart

01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:14.560
guy oh man yeah super

01:32:15.639 --> 01:32:20.880
clean I like how he mounted his ssds I've wanted to do something interesting

01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:25.800
with the mounting of my ssds for a little while because I've always just kind of hid them behind the motherboard

01:32:23.480 --> 01:32:28.440
tray but like how he has it I like having them front facing and if you can

01:32:27.280 --> 01:32:34.040
do it kind of stealthy like that it looks really cool there we go there's a

01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:35.239
better shot of it so right here just cut

01:32:34.040 --> 01:32:41.600
through right there and just push the cables through looks super

01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:45.159
nice this looks like he had um hard pipe

01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:47.360
and he bent it which is also really

01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:53.119
cool I can't remember the tool that you have to use for that but it's pretty

01:32:49.400 --> 01:32:55.639
awesome I think I I've seen this

01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:58.040
one ah was it this guide or a different guy that they did the same kind of thing

01:32:56.840 --> 01:33:01.320
and they actually showed the technique on our website so that's pretty

01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:10.880
cool I don't know if I can decide some of these are actually surprisingly

01:33:08.320 --> 01:33:15.600
good this one I think is just a template but yeah no no some some of them some of

01:33:13.800 --> 01:33:19.880
them are actually surprisingly uh surprisingly good maybe do one more

01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:26.679
topic while I continue to review the 290x birthday cake speaking about cake

01:33:23.360 --> 01:33:30.000
with like fans and stuff this is a 290x

01:33:26.679 --> 01:33:31.119
birthday cake yeah I know right that's

01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:38.920
awesome it would have been even better if it had arrived right when we were talking about that yeah it well it would

01:33:36.280 --> 01:33:41.719
have been pretty cool uh yeah never mind he shouldn't have named it he should

01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:47.719
it's like he should have said like it's an AMD birthday cake and then he should have let everyone in the comments rage

01:33:44.760 --> 01:33:47.719
about which card it

01:33:47.760 --> 01:33:54.800
was you know they would cuz they all look the same

01:33:52.639 --> 01:33:58.280
I don't know if it's long enough to be a 290x that might be a

01:33:58.440 --> 01:34:05.320
270x okay I want to start a discussion someone should actually measure it

01:34:03.119 --> 01:34:08.719
out and figure out if it's long enough I don't think we have enough for okay well

01:34:06.639 --> 01:34:14.520
if we assumed that the PCI bracket is to scale it's accurate yeah you have to it

01:34:12.280 --> 01:34:19.239
looks like there is one under there or they did an incredibly good job with it

01:34:16.080 --> 01:34:21.159
to be honest cuz look at that oh no I

01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:27.159
didn't mean the PCI I meant the PCI bracket oh but yeah we could go by oh yeah that

01:34:24.199 --> 01:34:32.280
does look pretty good doesn't it your display is terrible I know I know can it

01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:36.440
can you turn the brightness up oh well that'll help I can't even tell if that's

01:34:35.480 --> 01:34:42.600
it looks real no no it's not the spacing is not

01:34:40.480 --> 01:34:46.880
even I don't think it's real I just I couldn't tell if the spacing being not

01:34:44.280 --> 01:34:51.920
even was a problem with the camera it's good but yeah all right can I have the

01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:55.760
HDMI cable back yep all right so we had

01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:58.920
a a win your Squarespace website contest

01:34:55.760 --> 01:35:01.239
and um the idea was that I'm supposed to

01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:05.480
pick the winner but some of these are actually surprisingly uh surprisingly

01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:09.480
good before before you keep on going with that apparently our fly team is in

01:35:07.080 --> 01:35:12.280
the 60th spot apparently we blasted through a million points which is pretty

01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:18.159
aggressive so if you guys want to join up on a folding team ours is rising

01:35:14.679 --> 01:35:20.040
really fast to jump right on there okay

01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:23.360
yay Firefox have you noticed it's been incredibly unstable lately yeah I mov

01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:26.920
back to Nightly and it's running better again that seems to be a consistent

01:35:25.040 --> 01:35:30.840
thing like what the he like it's been crashing on me all over the place lately

01:35:29.199 --> 01:35:34.920
yeah the pre-alpha is more stable than the release version it's weird like

01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:38.320
brilliant I think it's flash problems it's like what were you guys actually

01:35:36.199 --> 01:35:41.159
doing all this time I hate flash problems because every time I kill flash

01:35:39.840 --> 01:35:47.239
it stops freezing okay but like no one else has

01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:50.560
those problems I know I'm just saying no I'm not saying no one else has those

01:35:48.520 --> 01:35:57.239
problems I'm obviously having problems I mean no other uh browser all right okay

01:35:54.800 --> 01:36:01.639
so we had a few submissions actually I I hadn't had any until I tweeted out about

01:35:59.440 --> 01:36:04.880
it being like hey yo dog uh we haven't had many submissions so you can still

01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:11.239
have a pretty good chance to win up he that's my friend is it yeah oh I guess I

01:36:07.679 --> 01:36:13.040
can't really vote on this oh like I I

01:36:11.239 --> 01:36:18.760
went to school with him cool all right so this one well where

01:36:16.040 --> 01:36:24.719
should we start come on Firefox you can do it I believe in you not a single yeah

01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:33.800
loaded yet no is this Firefox or is this your tether oh it's probably the

01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:33.800
tether oh come on win stream is

01:36:34.360 --> 01:36:41.400
win yeah I know right okay so let's try a more different

01:36:42.480 --> 01:36:49.119
network okay and then let's see if this one just is like magically working now I

01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:54.400
don't think the wireless on this laptop's very good there we go think the

01:36:51.960 --> 01:36:59.239
the laptop on this laptop well there's aspects of it that are good yes the

01:36:56.520 --> 01:37:03.960
processor is good that is true made by Intel

01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:06.639
yeah so what you're implying that there's not a whole lot to go wrong if

01:37:05.239 --> 01:37:12.520
you put an what are you some kind of Intel fan boy oh since when has the

01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:18.920
processor been a major problem in a laptop um unless it's like ancient or

01:37:16.480 --> 01:37:22.520
way underpriced all right so John wer here this one's pretty rudimentary so I

01:37:21.360 --> 01:37:27.280
don't think we're probably going to go with this one anyway sorry to friend

01:37:24.920 --> 01:37:32.560
here okay so the problem seems to be that function lock is enabled that's why

01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:37.679
it's doing unpredictable things so it just says don't panic and you can see

01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:42.679
that uh he's using a template that has stuff here that you can switch between

01:37:41.239 --> 01:37:47.400
so go ahead and click on that can can you go to code is that possible maybe is

01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:50.360
it going to load well the issue is that I keep not being able to even like click

01:37:49.040 --> 01:37:55.400
on things properly yeah I know I think our internet connection down again

01:37:52.119 --> 01:37:55.400
brilliant so back to the

01:37:55.520 --> 01:38:03.360
tether yes sweet I like I don't understand how the

01:38:01.440 --> 01:38:08.280
wireless could be so like we weren't having issues with the wireless on this

01:38:04.760 --> 01:38:08.280
before were we

01:38:09.599 --> 01:38:13.719
no yeah I was going to ask you about

01:38:15.400 --> 01:38:22.159
that I'll talk about it later okay oh

01:38:19.320 --> 01:38:28.679
holy balls okay so I think you have to hold function to

01:38:25.280 --> 01:38:31.320
get like F5 to do something or I could

01:38:28.679 --> 01:38:37.360
just go up here and oh yeah cuz right well then the the Nexus takes a while to

01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:38.960
like decide that are you worthy yeah are

01:38:37.360 --> 01:38:44.199
you worthy of having the internet should I actually give you the benefit of my

01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:48.679
wires I'm not sure how warm is it running not I am a

01:38:46.280 --> 01:38:51.360
Nexus you know what though battery life while tethering is actually not that bad

01:38:50.400 --> 01:38:57.480
people have been raging about the battery life but Brandon saying he's super happy with it I've reached the end

01:38:55.080 --> 01:39:02.639
of the day with as much as 50% yeah which isn't as good as the Z1 but the Z1

01:39:00.080 --> 01:39:07.000
had a whole other host of issues that I wasn't a huge fan of so this guy's

01:39:04.480 --> 01:39:12.320
getting pretty old and I I'm sure seriously S3 is old now well with my

01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:17.560
usage it's getting a little bit weathered I use it a lot um and for for

01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:24.239
how long I've had it and how much I've used it and how much I've like full drained the battery and like bad things

01:39:21.639 --> 01:39:28.960
um now that sanen Mod's on it does pretty good I can get to the end of like

01:39:26.639 --> 01:39:34.199
I've used it a fair amount today and I'm at 73% like that kills what it used to

01:39:32.280 --> 01:39:39.880
be right it used to be I wouldn't use it all day and I'd get to 4:00 and i' be

01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:41.719
dead right so like I'm pretty stoked

01:39:39.880 --> 01:39:44.920
actually I can easily get to the end of the day with a good amount of percentage

01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:51.960
L yay touch whiz yeah I I like I miss

01:39:48.760 --> 01:39:54.119
my probably

01:39:51.960 --> 01:40:00.080
it's probably locked at a 30 FPS it's locked at 30 FPS if you if you unlock

01:39:57.520 --> 01:40:05.239
your phone to 60 FPS it runs to as fast so yeah the network connection is so

01:40:02.599 --> 01:40:09.119
slow can you email me all of these links and we can just open them on my laptop

01:40:07.199 --> 01:40:13.360
that might for some reason I think this is working let's let's see is your still

01:40:10.639 --> 01:40:19.960
is your Still rocking let's see Dash rocking the

01:40:19.960 --> 01:40:22.960
internet

01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:31.320
yeah that's better no you have to go well that's the thing is I've already like loaded everything up on here and

01:40:28.880 --> 01:40:34.239
like entered all of the stupid captas in order to look at these sites that's a

01:40:32.920 --> 01:40:37.599
really easy capture that's not going to stop anything I know I don't even know

01:40:35.960 --> 01:40:41.960
why it's there but like it's actually dude it even loads better on

01:40:39.920 --> 01:40:50.880
mine what oh wait what oh now I'm confused

01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:52.320
what is what are they doing what are

01:40:50.880 --> 01:41:00.960
what are they doing with this browser right now nightly pones man I can't go

01:40:58.040 --> 01:41:05.159
to no I think it worked before I think code is dead though I don't think code

01:41:02.719 --> 01:41:10.280
is a working link oh okay well at any rate that's not going to win so let's

01:41:06.760 --> 01:41:13.239
move on to the next one this one might

01:41:10.280 --> 01:41:19.440
win so this uh someone built a little like e-commerce website that presumably

01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:22.719
sells farts so the Slick is

01:41:19.440 --> 01:41:26.599
$300 the two is

01:41:22.719 --> 01:41:28.080
$19.99 and rolling thunder is $39.99 so

01:41:26.599 --> 01:41:31.840
that's a bit of an upgrade over the toot and finally the Rev head which is a

01:41:29.679 --> 01:41:36.520
picture of an engine uh is $45 you can own your own if you click on

01:41:36.760 --> 01:41:42.639
here and that is the same page okay I think they get marks off for that and

01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:46.480
also the fact that they Chris clearly didn't take this seriously at all uh

01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:49.119
next up we've got this one didn't load correctly cuz my internet wasn't working

01:41:47.840 --> 01:41:56.320
looks like my internet's working now just we were trying to click on a dead oh no is it now it's working slightly

01:41:53.719 --> 01:42:00.520
better I think that's supposed to load a card from the game that I don't remember

01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:05.920
the name of that's made by blizzard Hearthstone really you couldn't

01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:09.639
how many hours have you spent playing Hearthstone a fair amount I've played a

01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:13.850
lot more playing wow and it has hearth stones in

01:42:11.320 --> 01:42:15.719
it I should have

01:42:15.719 --> 01:42:22.599
known this is a block field see these are not loading correctly guys this is

01:42:20.520 --> 01:42:26.599
this Joy I know him too I know like all the people that submitted websites okay

01:42:24.280 --> 01:42:30.400
they're supposed to look more like this but but the internet is a terrible thing

01:42:29.040 --> 01:42:35.840
okay so maybe what I'll do guys is I'll tweet out the winner later because this just clearly isn't working I'm going to

01:42:33.400 --> 01:42:41.920
go get the cake are we still going to be streaming

01:42:38.480 --> 01:42:41.920
or are we stopping this I don't

01:42:41.960 --> 01:42:48.719
know are you coming back I don't know

01:42:45.320 --> 01:42:52.119
he's not sure okay well I'm going to try

01:42:48.719 --> 01:42:54.080
and grab y for these things so we can at

01:42:52.119 --> 01:42:59.960
least freaking look at them oh that loaded now so there we

01:42:57.719 --> 01:43:06.159
go this is where I'd put my appren ship if I had one what is this supposed to

01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:09.480
be think you about

01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:13.760
Hardware no content

01:43:09.480 --> 01:43:13.760
portfolio not a thing software

01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:19.639
list that's pretty

01:43:19.679 --> 01:43:28.400
cool ah you could hyperlink the

01:43:24.639 --> 01:43:28.400
words that would makeig things

01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:35.159
easier now that you left your computer's working fine awesome it just doesn't

01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:42.480
like you anymore I'm going to leave this image on screen overheated I'm so hot

01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:45.280
probably your pillow is like gross thank

01:43:42.480 --> 01:43:49.080
you for that are you want to take some cake

01:43:46.440 --> 01:43:53.239
Brandon would who would say no not a cake I

01:43:51.199 --> 01:43:58.119
brought a plate and a Knife by the way I yeah that's fine all right I love how

01:43:55.960 --> 01:44:01.880
you didn't bring like there's only one plate because you apparently don't

01:43:59.719 --> 01:44:05.080
believe in dishes no eating you well I ran the dishwasher if you looked in the

01:44:03.400 --> 01:44:09.000
dishwasher you ran the dishwasher and that's an excuse for not having clean

01:44:06.719 --> 01:44:12.880
dishes no they're all clean they're in Howes your mind even function they're in

01:44:10.360 --> 01:44:15.639
the dishwasher clean in the dishwasher clean why would they be clean if they

01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:19.400
were in the dishwasher cuz I haven't taken them out yet why haven't you taken

01:44:17.360 --> 01:44:23.880
them out yet if they're clean see logical no because if they were clean

01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:28.119
you would have taken them out so clean makes it instantly

01:44:25.880 --> 01:44:31.520
out um so if it's clean and in the dishwasher and your mind it is not clean

01:44:29.840 --> 01:44:34.159
well if dishwashers worked the way that I think they should then yes you should

01:44:33.320 --> 01:44:40.960
take the I'm very tired don't hurt

01:44:38.320 --> 01:44:46.719
yourself I should not be operating heavy machinery rece all the oh that's all the

01:44:44.320 --> 01:44:52.239
receipts that you owe me I think so could be wrong please don't hurt

01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:55.000
yourself I have I have sliced the cake

01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:59.639
nope nope I can handle this or don't hurt anyone else don't do

01:44:58.119 --> 01:45:03.800
that don't do what I thought you were going to lick the ne no I'm not going to lick the bad IDE what are you even doing

01:45:02.480 --> 01:45:10.719
I don't know I'm trying to hold this can you hold this I we both just

01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:16.170
offer don't kill anyone hold on I'm trying to cut a piece no I can do

01:45:17.760 --> 01:45:23.520
this I just want some cake

01:45:21.040 --> 01:45:26.880
you didn't bring anything to eat it with what makes you think I need anything to

01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:33.239
eat it with oh God it looks really good what kind I I

01:45:29.880 --> 01:45:34.599
have no idea a knock knock to a cake

01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:42.239
hopefully it tastes better than knock to a Fan's look okay so you have a plate

01:45:38.719 --> 01:45:45.719
I'll take this oh God okay here you go

01:45:42.239 --> 01:45:45.719
why did you even need a

01:45:46.760 --> 01:45:54.040
oh why did you even need a plate then for you but you didn't bring me any

01:45:51.320 --> 01:45:59.239
utensils to use so it's not any cleaner why do you need them here thank you

01:45:57.239 --> 01:46:05.800
Brandon cuz go to

01:46:02.560 --> 01:46:05.800
bed with

01:46:09.719 --> 01:46:17.080
who I need to work actually do you yeah

01:46:14.440 --> 01:46:20.080
what are you going to do are you are you like sensible enough to actually edit

01:46:18.760 --> 01:46:26.760
something right now or should you just sleep still oh we're definitely still

01:46:23.719 --> 01:46:31.800
streaming yeah that that didn't stop

01:46:26.760 --> 01:46:34.199
okay no I don't know you know it's funny

01:46:31.800 --> 01:46:38.320
because people often criticize my unprofessionalism on this show and yep

01:46:37.280 --> 01:46:45.800
and then you always say we're going to be more professional and then you ensure that we definitely are not every time we

01:46:43.400 --> 01:46:51.000
try to do something more professional people say they don't like it we should

01:46:47.679 --> 01:46:53.119
go back to the old way not true not true

01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:56.520
and someone says they don't like it well it's because usually when we try to do

01:46:54.440 --> 01:47:00.040
something more professional we fail because we don't put any effort into it

01:46:58.199 --> 01:47:05.440
and that and just people no we put effort into it we don't put planning

01:47:02.080 --> 01:47:08.040
into it or planning yeah planning is the

01:47:05.440 --> 01:47:14.239
problem effort is not the problem of effort a fork thank you B why

01:47:13.119 --> 01:47:19.320
would you need a fork you know it actually tastes exactly

01:47:16.760 --> 01:47:25.840
the same if you eat it out of your hands I don't think he knows that might

01:47:23.080 --> 01:47:30.400
taste better if you have crappy Forks it could taste like B oh someone wants to

01:47:28.360 --> 01:47:35.679
know who won the lonus and Logan giveaway uh yes we have chosen a winner

01:47:34.040 --> 01:47:39.880
but I haven't coordinated with him for the announcement for us to do it at the

01:47:37.280 --> 01:47:42.880
same time yet so

01:47:44.400 --> 01:47:49.760
sorry why don't you eat the bottom I

01:47:47.639 --> 01:47:53.639
don't really like the outside it's pretty heavy

01:47:50.960 --> 01:47:57.760
like it's it's like I think it's do

01:47:57.920 --> 01:48:02.239
they starts and the brown stuff's kind

01:48:01.040 --> 01:48:09.080
of like gum it's like I can't what it's called

01:48:04.719 --> 01:48:11.520
start with a P or something pH what it's

01:48:09.080 --> 01:48:15.159
like acid no it's like there's acid in the cake well probably well in my

01:48:13.360 --> 01:48:18.239
weakend state that'll be even more of a problem well there's probably some

01:48:16.719 --> 01:48:23.199
amount of it I meant lfd I know but that's not

01:48:21.719 --> 01:48:26.239
what I meant you should probably have some

01:48:25.320 --> 01:48:31.639
right now it probably be perfect time me yeah

01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:36.639
why not I don't think so are you phone hard are you hard phone hard foam no it

01:48:34.360 --> 01:48:39.719
was phone not foam that's what I said I can't hear you very well cuz I'm

01:48:44.080 --> 01:48:49.199
tired okay so the Cake's good what's

01:48:47.599 --> 01:48:55.960
this thing now I don't

01:48:52.320 --> 01:48:58.599
know it's it's not the most appealing it

01:48:55.960 --> 01:49:01.760
looks really cool like I like I think that's why they were able to build a fan

01:49:00.320 --> 01:49:06.560
out of it it's the same stuff they use on like and like shap

01:49:04.920 --> 01:49:13.080
CES that's yeah it's like but it's like

01:49:10.800 --> 01:49:20.480
pretty solid actually it's like it's like the solidest densest like sugar

01:49:16.599 --> 01:49:22.199
thing that um sugar and FL yeah yeah

01:49:20.480 --> 01:49:29.000
that's probably it 10 billion people are saying fond

01:49:24.880 --> 01:49:30.800
Dent fondant cool someone says it's not

01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:36.760
fond it's Mars thean either way I don't really like it

01:49:34.080 --> 01:49:40.480
but uh my wife loves this kind of stuff does she so I'll take some for her for

01:49:38.040 --> 01:49:46.320
sure perfect and I like that it looks like a fan me too yeah

01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:51.000
wouldn't we should have probably like pict taken a picture of it we can take a

01:49:49.199 --> 01:49:55.719
picture of it still we'll just Photoshop in the rest like

01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:55.719
edel can do it or something

01:49:56.040 --> 01:50:01.360
right oh my God you know usually when I

01:49:59.320 --> 01:50:05.239
ask him if he can do something I have some idea that what I'm

01:50:03.719 --> 01:50:09.880
asking him is really difficult but I pretend not to so that he'll try to

01:50:07.400 --> 01:50:14.159
appease me and help me with it because I think if he knew that I knew that it was

01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:17.199
near impossible he would be less likely to want to help me it looks like it

01:50:15.960 --> 01:50:24.360
might be fondant fondong perhaps sure why

01:50:21.080 --> 01:50:25.719
not wow that's weird yeah that's some

01:50:24.360 --> 01:50:30.360
creepy stuff wow I just dropped another piece in my lap that's pretty cool I'm

01:50:28.679 --> 01:50:34.480
going to like a family thing after this is it also partially because you have no

01:50:32.360 --> 01:50:37.360
idea what he's doing just like how you assume certain programming things are

01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:42.119
super easy when they're actually super hard and you think other are super hard

01:50:40.320 --> 01:50:47.880
when they're actually super easy that could be that I know some

01:50:45.719 --> 01:50:51.639
things no not about programming I don't know anything I was like what I mean I

01:50:50.040 --> 01:50:56.920
mean I know some things in general I don't know much about programming you

01:50:53.320 --> 01:50:56.920
definitely don't know much about

01:51:02.159 --> 01:51:06.199
programing they're just talking about

01:51:08.159 --> 01:51:12.159
whatever lus you said you would

01:51:14.719 --> 01:51:20.639
announce giveaways for the GTX 670 and

01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:23.560
the keyboard yeah that's the he already I already talked about

01:51:27.560 --> 01:51:35.560
that H apparently that's still on

01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:36.760
there okay well I guess I'll head out uh

01:51:35.560 --> 01:51:44.520
I guess I'll have to come back tonight to get that footage sweet we drive back out here

01:51:42.440 --> 01:51:51.960
that sounds pretty good you have cake on your shirt I have cake on my ARM and on

01:51:48.079 --> 01:51:51.960
my hands and on your face

01:51:53.800 --> 01:52:00.520
I think we're done here do you need like a clo

01:51:57.560 --> 01:52:04.400
no can I borrow your shower yeah I'm going to operate the

01:52:02.639 --> 01:52:10.079
mouse with my foot to turn off the stream why is this

01:52:06.800 --> 01:52:11.520
happening why is this a thing well you

01:52:10.079 --> 01:52:15.280
know we had that conversation earlier where I was asking you know when people

01:52:13.239 --> 01:52:18.320
are swapping boss stories do you you know tell stories about me so you're

01:52:17.119 --> 01:52:23.280
trying to get I wanted to make sure you don't get one up it's called fond

01:52:20.320 --> 01:52:27.079
fondant yeah we marshmallows and flour and sugar marshmallows flour and sugar

01:52:25.280 --> 01:52:34.360
I've actually made it before I it's extremely sweet oh yeah like a lot of

01:52:30.719 --> 01:52:34.360
sugar yeah it