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welcome to the W show guys the oh we

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apparently dropped a frame but then it doesn't detected up there so we're going

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to go ahead and hope that everything's okay welcome to the W show guys the week

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where you watch us talk about the technical difficulties that occurred

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before the I don't know the show I've been off for like 3 weeks like no like

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not vacation because I clearly haven't had a vacation like the marks under my

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eyes and yours too for that matter uh but I mean like not not on like not

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on fire we've got a great show for you guys today though so AMD mantle is

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becoming a bigger and bigger deal pretty much by the day for those of you who

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aren't familiar mantle is AMD's new API that seeks to well pretty much take the

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place of direct deck and open well not take the place but

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augment and by augment I mean don't use the other one use this new one it's

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better um so we're going to have Ryan shroud on to talk about that actually

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very shortly as soon as we can get in touch with them do you even have a username for him like did you send him

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the login details no okay well let's send those over to him worst case

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scenario I think I have him in my phone so I can call him just be like yo

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talk you you good to go oh I

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don't okay um so anyway let's we we'll

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get that rolling as soon as we can and then uh the riaa and MPAA are

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introducing a new ele well are trying to introduce a new Elementary School

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curriculum that would have students in the United States learn about the

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dangers of piracy so that's something

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that they're lobbying for right now but hasn't necessarily been implemented yet

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with teachers having some fairly reasonable objections to it fairly

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reasonable next up we've got lsi's new

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sandforce controller so for those of you who don't know LSI acquired sandforce

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some time ago that will enable truly Next Generation SSD performance and

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finally AMD news just keeps coming I mean good AMD news the 290 looks like it

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can be flashed to a 290x and we're even seeing reports of these cards being

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available pre flashed for people to just buy for cheaper which is extremely cool

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so without further Ado it's intro time and I have no idea how loud it is so

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this will be I can't monitor so let me

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oh so apparently there's no sound on the intro which means I don't really have to

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we're live yeah okay cool how come I'll just make it sure oh I I should probably

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make sure that it actually you know managed to make it especially with all

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the like awesomeness going on with YouTube lately and things just generally

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not working yeah yeah it's it's pushing to subscriber feeds right now so they'll

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start uh they'll start tuning in all right so uh I have no idea who's calling

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me from Toronto but now's not the time oh that's definitely I know who that is

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oh yeah I can't take that call right now so yeah I don't know you might want to

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you might want to get in touch with someone related to that person to maybe

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let them know that now's not a good time all right so let's what's up I don't

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have my phone so nope yeah you do this right here oh I do see like a boss all

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right so let's move on to our first topic here this is something that I

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suspect uh slick here hasn't done too much reading up on because it is like

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no don't worry you don't have to talk isn't it amazing it's kind of hilarious

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okay guys we are actually going to we're going to try to watch this together I

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thing is epic beyond all belief this is

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ever Jane the virtual world of Jane Austin is a Kickstarter for an MMO that

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just going to read from the site okay in

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the virtual world of Jane Austin it is not about kill or be killed but invite

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and be invited with gossip our weapon of

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choice so we're just going to watch A Brief snippet of the video here together

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if this is ever going to load because for some reason tethering is the slowest

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thing ever on this phone compared to the H I got my one back today and I'm super

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stoked to go back to it did you guess

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did I what you bet okay sweet yeah don't worry we're we're on this we're like

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okay well whatever we can't watch this video cuz it's just not going to load

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because our Wi-Fi hotspot needs to just choke on a bag of uh uh dongers so

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basically okay get this guys so ever Jane is a virtual world that allows

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people to roleplay in Regency period England okay so our quests are derived

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from players actions and stories and we gossip rather than swords and Magic to

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demolish our enemies and Aid our friends so right now you can actually download a

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prototype so the Prototype includes the gossip and invitation system so you can

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use gossip and invitations to build your

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own um you know reputation and when you

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have a better reputation then presumably you can have if they reach some of their

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stretch goals you could have like you know a um uh hold on you go fishing yeah

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no no that's for the men not that I

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mean okay in their defense in the world of Jane

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Austin at that time that would have been a thing uh so hold on hold on uh oh oh

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okay so iterate okay here okay we're going to go back to this all right so

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iteration one is slothing system which

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letters between characters iteration two gets dinner parties balls that's not the

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and horses and iteration three adds hunting and sewing and upgrades gossip

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to use language parsing so there's card games and okay so stretch goals you can

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get estate planning with a $200,000 stretch goal um you can get Landscaping

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with a $250,000 stretch goal so they're going to add Landscaping to to the uh

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whatever this is and farming Yeah so basically I mean you

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know what I I don't know what to say

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about this that won't offend someone

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to the most stereotypical girl gamer

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because you know what the Sims which is a notoriously you know cross-gendered

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not to say cross-gendered but um appealing to both genders game because

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it's role playing and you can it's it's it's light it's simulation okay this is

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not simulation this is like um this is

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like taking all the things that I think and like and if if it wasn't a female

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like like if it wasn't a female coming up with the idea I would have looked at

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this as like uh a cynical man trying to

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build a game for girls I think if they made bully

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actually bully they made W what's the name of that show I don't watch TV so

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mean girls if they made bully but like Mean Girls I think that could maybe work

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that could maybe work I think guys would play that I think everyone would play that see like that kind of makes more

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sense this is I think too mild and I think she's going after Jane Austin

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stories which while they were super popular for a long time before and are I

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think probably still hard to read man they're hard to read I don't read I've

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read a couple I've read uh I've read um I've heard they're good I just don't

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read them I read Emma I read prej both

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of those are supposed to be really good I read Pride and Prejudice and Zombies as well which was

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better so I think I bought my mom Pride and Prejudice yeah so okay you know a

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great comment in the twitch chat there's no such thing as a girl gamer there's

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just Gamers and some of them happen to be girls and this is targeted towards a

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thing that doesn't exist a girl gamer who's like every negative stereotype

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about you know what gaming girls would do so there that's what that's what I

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don't like about that Kickstarter project it's not going to get funded by the look of things so I don't have to

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worry about it too much but what I am planning to do sometime in the next

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little while as I will be downloading the demo and I'll be trying it out

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because maybe I'm wrong maybe I come back to the W show next week and I'm

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like yep I was wrong I was wrong and they were right and it's amazing I'll

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just shoot myself yeah speaking of things that I was wrong about something

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that we both failed to mention last week when we were talking about PS Vita and

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Playstation 4 streaming speaking of which I ordered what you got what's that

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what I think Curtis Chris Chris yeah

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okay I think I think I know which Chris this is um okay so we just got a cake um

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how it's got chocolate on it and like I

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I don't know I don't know how a cake in the shape of a knock to a fan was

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obtained but I have to admire the uh the

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took to come up with this particular idea they can't stop laughing okay it's

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like ghost and ixie and foxhound and mape and windspeed and all those guys it

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probably ended up being um just guessing

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it was probably wher who actually put the order in you know what's funny is I

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actually just started playing Portal 2 last night so so I'm having like like like it

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is a lie because it's not actually a fan I know the cake is a

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lot uh it seems like something that should be cold do you mind uh putting it

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in I guess freezer or fridge isce I

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don't know maybe someone can tell us what whether it goes in the freezer or

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the fridge so apparently it was a whole bunch of mods um and a whole bunch of

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the mods friends well thank you very much guys that is uh that is very very

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cool of you that's actually pretty epic that's hilarious what a what a wow

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moment that is um oh I think Ryan's here okay all

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right so we'll bring Ryan on right away after this but okay so something both he

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as NVIDIA Shield streaming is that Sony

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was a feature that allowed you to stream your gameplay to a device of your choice

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in fact it was way more versatile than NVIDIA's solution because it allowed you

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to stream to phones and PCs and you could stream your PSP games from your

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PSP to your PS3 and play them there so this was posted by Tom Lambert 01 on the

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Forum so thank you Tom for the correction we genuinely do appreciate it

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uh this is something that because I wasn't a PS3 gamer never really paid any

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attention to any of it I was actually completely not aware of so there you go

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thank you for bringing that to our attention all right next up we've got uh

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actually are we ready to have Ryan join us I can't am i g to have audio if I put

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I'll move on to something else in the meantime then nope they're not talking

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let's talk about the oh they are talking okay so we can hear those guys but we

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can't hear Ryan yet we can hear who uh I just oh wow hey there it is okay

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excellent that's most good most good all

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right so is this uh listening to anything yet or no I believe that is

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listening to Ryan so I think they can hear Ryan there we go whoa Hi how are

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you Ryan good all right so uh tell me how

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was the AMD show last week you know what the Apu 13 event had

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had surprisingly more news than I expected to see

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from it kind of didn't really know what to expect going into it but they talked

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about uh you know Cav Apu and um what

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are the other ones Bea and Mullins then they talked about mantle and they they

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had some good content there actually okay so let's start with uh

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let's start with let's start with mantle um what is what was your initial take

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when we first heard about it at GPU 13 versus hearing about it

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now you know I I don't think a whole Bunch has changed yet right so the when

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we first heard about it it was Battlefield 4 only uh although that's a

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pretty big deal and then we heard it was going to be frostbite engine and now

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they actually showed two different developers in addition to dice that are

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integrating mantle and they actually

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showed performance metrics of some kind not the kind that we're used to seeing

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like frame rates and stuff but uh looking at what do we call it draw calls

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per second um where there used to be batch levels of 3,000 to 5,000 and now

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this developer was showing a real-time strategy game that was running like a

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100,000 batch calls and that doesn't

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directly translate to Performance but it

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it means that there's one less bottleneck holding them back from

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improving performance in other ways let's try to explain to the viewers for

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a moment like what something like uh like draw calls means to Performance

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seeing like Tera flops or pixel fill rates or numbers like that so A draw

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call is like the the setup process of

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the game engine right so the processor has to the not the GPU the actual Intel

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draw calls it says what is the game engine actually asking me to do what's

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and what that did was it kind of limited

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how creative they could be with designs

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of characters polygon counts Shader counts that kind of thing and if you can

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expand that up which mantle does it it limits it gets rid of the API overhead

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and it allows these developers to kind of directly code to the processor in a

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much more efficient manner then by having these additional batch call

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capabilities they have the ability to improve visual uh just visuals or

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performance one way or the other now one of the thing one of the ways Chris

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Roberts explained it to me so

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um that's uh that's Chris Roberts from cloud Imperium game so the the maker of

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Star Citizen one of the ways he explained it to me was that you can use

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the processing power of the graphics card to say for example draw some rock

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and then if you can have uh you know an order of magnitude more draw calls you

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can take those same resources and you can replicate that rock all over the

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place in order to make for a more varied um exciting looking environment is that

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the main benefit I guess of having more draw calls

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um it basically opens up the pallet for

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these designers and these coders to do things they couldn't do

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before we when we talk about benchmarks and performance we're used to

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bottlenecks like frame rates or how many

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threads are being actually utilized on a processor but for the most part we don't

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really know what is the processor really doing most of the time and this setup is

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part of that so imp implementing mantle

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gives developers the capability to be more

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creative and Institute things like duplicate or Not Duplicate but uh being

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more creative and offering up more options to increase poly counts or

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increase character counts and you know increased resolution or granularity of

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uh surroundings and stuff like that so it's it's more about enabling artists to

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be more openly creative and game

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developers to not have as many restrictions as they used to have I I

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don't think when the Battlefield 4 version of Manel comes out that it's

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going to be 100% faster I think it's realistically going to be somewhere

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between like 10 and 15% faster than the

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standard dx11 version so it's it's just a matter of every time you remove a

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bottleneck something else crops up so it's but it's it's like a constant

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battle that Hardware developers and Driver developers have to worry about

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finding now speaking of uh you talked about the what the we don't really know

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what the processor is doing doing a little while back there um one of I

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think the most impressive demos that AMD showed off at their event was

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downclocking an fx8350 to 2 GHz so for

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for those of you who don't know what they're normally clocked at um that's

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that's like damn near 60% of its normal

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clock speed and then they showed that a Radeon R9 290x was still GPU Bound in

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the in the game that they were showing off as opposed to being CPU Bound in

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spite of the fact they had turned down the single-threaded performance of their

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CPU so dramatically um is this just is

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this just better optimization in general I mean we've already seen that Frostbite

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3 uh whether you're running mantle obviously we're not running mantle yet

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but whether you're running mantle or not is able to make pretty good use of

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multiple cores so is this just a general optimization thing or is mantle really

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going to pave the way for us to not need very powerful processors

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anymore I think it's going to help right and that's keep in mind where what from

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what position AMD is coming at right they have the lower performance

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processors in this battle against Intel so anytime they can say push off that

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bottleneck to the GPU instead of the CPU that's a big Advantage for them uh but I

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do believe that and I think most people that are PC Gamers will realize that you

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don't have to have a core i7 4960x to play

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games you would much rather spend that no hold on hold on Ryan hold on just a

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minute I think that uh when I when I got

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uh when I got far cry I think it was

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there's a thing that pops up and it's like plays best on core2 Duo extreme so

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I'm pretty sure you need an extreme addition to play games I mean that's been true for years now well I hope you

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didn't upgrade away from the core2 duo because then your performance would probably go down right I get such a kick

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out of that when they do uh when Intel used to do that branding of a specific

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product right in front of a game it's like guys that's that's relevant for

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like 18 months

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maybe sorry go go ahead yes you don't need an extreme addition to play

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games yeah I mean you don't you don't need it and you

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can game on a on a quad core Apu as long

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as you have a discreet graphics card and you're still going to get really good PC

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gaming performance and I think mantle is

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is a really interesting you know step down that

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pathway of integrating things differently I'm still not sold on it uh

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being kind of This Global success that AMD wants us to believe it is you know

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we we've seen several developers integrated it now um we've also seen

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several developers integrate how long term that'll be so say again I said

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we've also seen several developers integrate

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physx right right and and it doesn't

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necessarily mean that the long-term viability of that technology is is is

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solid Okay so I mean what else really

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stood out to you about the event maybe talk about cavar because you you

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mentioned just a second ago there um a quadcore apu's fine for gaming as long

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as you still have a discret GPU do you think that's still the case with

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cavar yeah I I really do uh there are

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there are use cases where even today Richland or Trinity is going to be okay

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for 10p gaming at lower low to medium

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settings and canar improves that prob probably 4050 % I mean we showed um a

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video where they had the cavar demo system running Battlefield 4 at 1080p at

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medium quality settings so that's that's impressive

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technologically like I've been doing this for a long time and to see that

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this Flagship high-end PC gaming title

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looks really good first of all Battlefield 4 looks really good at

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medium quality settings so an advantage that am has with the demo right off the

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bat uh but they're running it off of an APU that's drawn I don't know 100 Watts

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120 watts or something like that that's pretty impressive but the people that

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listen to your show the people that listen to our show and and and they they

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want better than that right and you can get better than that for not a whole lot

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of money so yeah I I think they're going down you know they're they're

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progressing down the right path this was always the plan even though the the kind

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of dark secret secret that came out during the show was that this

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performance is actually lower than what they had said was going to the

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performance of cavar a year ago right right they had to lower clocks on the

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CPU and GPU right okay um can you wait

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what just happened oh

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okay okay um Luke can you actually mute Ryan for a second or Ryan can you turn

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on push to talk because we're getting some feedback from your mic whenever you're not talking I think it's trying

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to I think it's trying to I can I can use I've got a foot pedal for mute I can

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do that Wicked okay thanks man um okay

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so the thing that I wanted to talk about is I think I think the real issue with

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with the apus and the strategy that AMD has here is they're trying to do what

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Intel's doing where they're positioning their apus as as a premium sort of as a

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price premium when they first introduce them they're they're trying to ask for

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more money for them then I think then rather than just bringing them to Market

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at what I really think is a is a fair price so an example of this is something

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like Richland where their top tier Apu

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the uh 6800k I guess it is is like

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$140 and then you can get something that offers pretty near the same performance

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that isn't fm2 Plus or whatever so something like an A8

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5600k for $40 less which when we're

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talking about1 or $140 CPUs is a very

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very significant difference with that

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$40 I I I think that the the difference

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in slightly better CPU performance and then maybe I mean when they they introduce cavar dramatically better GPU

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performance is not going to be justified

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by the performance that's there so you're going to have to invest in a more

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expensive CPU AMD is going to want a premium from you for the latest technology you're going to need a more

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expensive motherboard because once again the motherboard manufacturers are first

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coming to market with the premium chipsets for what to me really is a very

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entry-level platform so by the time you

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do the CPU and motherboard cost comparisons again a last generation Apu

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you're probably spending another $60 to $70 now $60 to $70 is an awful long way

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towards a pretty decent dedicated graphics card we did a console killer

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type build for our image quality comparison where we gave ourselves a

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$450 budget so smack dab in between the price of the two nextg consoles and uh

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what we ended up with was a 5600k so we found the cheapest quad core Apu we

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could we grabbed a 7770 then we went

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with a cheapo hard drive Cheapo case you know basically doorstop power supply but

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at least like it's an ntech basic or something I think so it's nothing

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special but it's also not going to explode immediately and we were able to

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achieve similar image quality in Battlefield 4 as what we could get with

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a PS4 or an Xbox One and obviously much more functionality and that wouldn't be

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possible with cavar did you include an operating

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system in that build price uh 550 with OS so 4 50 Hardware 550 OS cuz we we we

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did a similar thing and and it was disheartening to see 20% of your system

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build pricee be relegated to uh a copy of Windows 8 or whatever hey demos but

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it's coming yeah yeah it can't come soon enough the the but the your point is is

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is pretty pretty valid right the when cavar comes out it's going to be a

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little bit more expensive than Richland uh is it going to be justified

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it all it all depends on on the consumer I don't think somebody who is a gamer is

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going to want this part but if you're somebody that is building a PC for

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another purpose a home theater PC or a small form factor build that maybe you

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already have your main rig upstairs and you want to have something small and modest downstairs or in you know at a at

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a at your office or something it will be able to do some of that stuff and that's

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kind of what AMD is leaning on uh for their advantages over what they can with

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Intel because they do not have they're a severe disadvantage on the processor

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Side Y so they've got to push this GPU side and and to be completely honest

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they they may not have that lead on the GPU side for very long in terms of the

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integrated processors because Intel is

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continuing continuing to increase their GPU performance on these uh integrated

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processors these processor Graphics I guess as Intel calls them and they they

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I think it'll still be a little while before they catch up but they still an

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and it's weird process node aside

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inteleg or Intel relegates so relegates

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oh man dude I'm tired Intel allocates so

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little of the die size I mean when you when you look when you look at the

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actual D photographs so little of it is the actual CPU that even if you factor

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out their process node Advantage AMD to

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achieve worse performance and worse power consumption is

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is is spending an awful lot more die area on the CPU so Intel's going to have

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this Advantage where just in terms of the sheer amount in in terms of the

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sheer die size they're going to be able to allocate a ton more space to a GPU

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just to make up for whatever advantages AMD might have in terms of their

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experience building gpus um and I I think that's going to continue to help

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Intel close the gap as they get more experienced that's the point that I'm

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laboriously trying to get to here

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well Intel has this huge Advantage with its manufacturing right so they'll

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they're they're trying to utilize that manufacturing advantage to go after the

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ARM market and they're also going to try to use some of that on uh to to make up

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for these Graphics deficits that they've traditionally had um it's it'll be

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interesting to see this coming generation like the end of 2014 Intel

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does versus what AMD does because Intel has slowly been increasing the

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percentage of the die that they use for graphics y Intel is probably in the 40%

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range with Haswell I think um and AMD is

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just over 50% with Cav and it's a better

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50% right the the the units that AMD has built are better and more efficient than

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what Intel has built but that will eventually change and if you're running

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at 22 nanometer or 14 nanometer next

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year you have a little bit more flexibility about how much die space you

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can just create for those parts so it'll be it'll be interesting and integated

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space in 2014 to be sure especially because there's no pressure on Intel to

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increase IPC on the CPU side so if they can go okay we're going to shrink to 14

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nanometer we're going to do pretty much nothing other than optimize for power on

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the CPU side we're going to allocate all that extra die space to GPU and it's Off

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to the Races yeah I mean that's and that that's

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unfortunately been the case for Intel for several years about not really

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pushing forward on the CPU space you know it's they after the pennium 4

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disaster they slowly built back up so that they were the dominant uh the

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dominant CPU vendor over Athlon and and Phenom and all that and when AMD could

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no longer compete they just kind of said H okay we're good where we're at you

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know we get those sporadic updates like the Sandy Bridge e And The Ivy Bridge e

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and you know they can pack 10 or 12 cores onto a Zeon but they're not really

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changing anything drastically like they hope to do on the graphic side

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yeah that's uh that's extremely frustrating I think for enthusiasts

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everywhere so we've got a couple other topics here that we could uh guys if you

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have any questions for Ryan go ahead and hit us up on Twitter at Linus and uh

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we'll do we'll do a Twitter Blitz with him at some point here but I'd like to

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get your take on lsi's upcoming sandforce FF SF 3700

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controller I had not looked at that yet

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okay forget about it then let's let's move on do all of our storage stuff so

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don't don't don't worry about it I'll hit you with something that's a little bit uh ah yes okay you can buy pre

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flashed Radeon R9 290s that have been

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flashed with 290x bioses what is your take on all of this and how cannibalized

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has AMD made their own high-end lineup I

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mean we have so far we haven't found an

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X card with a non-x equivalent that makes any sense to buy

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bu yeah the 290x is is increasingly becoming a more and

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more kind of derelict part in in the uh

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in the PC market right when it launched everybody loved it it was this super

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high performance card it was less expensive than the GTX

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780 and the Titan and then then NVIDIA

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dropped its prices I think further than AMD expected they released AMD releases

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the 290 undercutting their own part by a huge margin even though performan is

446
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very close and you can like overclock it

447
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:37,679
a little bit more and you're going to go well beyond that and you're going to save what is it

448
00:32:35,399 --> 00:32:42,559
$150 yeah it's a significant that's pretty big

449
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:45,440
makx weird now have you guys played

450
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:50,159
around with how 290 and 290x for that matter perform when you are able to keep

451
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:55,679
thermals under control I haven't used anything except

452
00:32:53,120 --> 00:33:00,639
the reference coolers on that but I have I have run reference coolers let's say

453
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:07,200
at higher fan speeds than should be loud on your ears um and and it does it does

454
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:10,639
well it does well but like uh I mean the most you know the most recent issue that

455
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:15,480
we were had is we had in a couple of the 290x retail cards and we were comparing

456
00:33:13,679 --> 00:33:19,960
how that compared to the the reference cards that that I got and I think that

457
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:23,840
you got as well and uh that's that was the big issue that they had in cranking

458
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:29,120
up the fan speeds a little bit to making sure that everything was consistent was

459
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:33,799
kind of an odd move as well the one thing that's weird about the 290

460
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:36,720
compared to the 290x is that the 290 is

461
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:43,000
louder it's default State than the 290x it's it's got less it's got fewer

462
00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:45,240
Shader units but they run them at a

463
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:49,159
lower speed but at a higher fan speed so it's running at its top clocks more

464
00:33:47,639 --> 00:33:55,000
consistently it's a really odd kind of balancing move they've did they've done

465
00:33:52,320 --> 00:34:00,799
to kind of push themselves out of a market that they were doing very well in

466
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:03,600
it I know 290x was competitive from the

467
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:09,919
start I mean did they I I don't know it was honestly it wasn't as confusing

468
00:34:06,679 --> 00:34:13,359
quite to me as 270 was because 270 I

469
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:15,440
didn't even know about so at GPU 13 they

470
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:19,240
didn't talk about it at all unless you were in a secret briefing room where you

471
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:25,200
have to have lasers coming out of your eyes to be in that one did you know about

472
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,639
270 uh no not until I got an email that

473
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:32,079
said hey there's one on their way to you and I and it was as I was kind of getting

474
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:36,240
ready to leave for the Apu 13 event and I said well I'm not going to be able to

475
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:39,200
get this tested and stuff before I leave for this event so how you know give me a

476
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:43,000
little bit of background on it and they said oh wasen to the slide deck and

477
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:46,720
usually if they're not real eager to brag about what the product is that

478
00:34:44,919 --> 00:34:51,280
there's usually something you need to be uh to pay attention to and I got the

479
00:34:48,919 --> 00:34:56,919
specs and I looked at it and I almost emailed them back I said no no no no you

480
00:34:52,919 --> 00:34:58,040
sent me the 270x specs so what did you

481
00:34:56,919 --> 00:35:03,920
what did you really mean to send me and I started looking at it I was like wow there's like no difference here and then

482
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:07,000
there's a $20 MSRP difference you want

483
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,200
to talk about congesting the market

484
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:13,960
you're supposed to do that against your competition not really against your own

485
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,560
gpus yeah R2 r270 video I think the the

486
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:19,720
thumbnail was something like why does this

487
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:24,160
exist it's like they might as well have just price dropped 27x and not bothered

488
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:28,400
to you know come up with another skew mind you from from okay if you're going

489
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:33,839
to look at the from a from an AMD perspective they've sure gotten a lot of

490
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:38,599
Impressions without actually paying for advertising by doing so many GPU

491
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:42,839
launches here yeah you know AMD did this with the

492
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,400
7,000 series I don't know remember if they did with the 6000 series with the

493
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:52,760
7,000 series I remember being equally annoyed with uh here's the 7970 and now

494
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:57,400
the 7950 and now the 7870 and then the 7850 and so it's like every 10 days

495
00:35:54,680 --> 00:36:03,160
there em graphics for the G Edition right right right I mean there

496
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:04,359
was it was just just you know do a few

497
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:10,280
of them together I thought they would do better this time they did the 280 270

498
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:12,160
and 260 kind of as a as a bundle uh but

499
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:17,800
I think they more did that because it was a Rebrand and selling each of those

500
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:21,800
individually as new products 10 days separated would probably be even more of

501
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:24,480
a headache for him but uh yeah I mean it's

502
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:28,599
definitely you know that's one way that these these vendors kind of create

503
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:33,160
interest and excitement for their product is if we just tweak this one

504
00:36:30,839 --> 00:36:36,480
thing everybody kind of has to talk about it again whereas if the product is

505
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:40,000
just sitting on the shelf and we've already done our reviews and their board

506
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:46,280
partners aren't coming out with something really exciting to get us to write it about it again they start to

507
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,560
suffer so I don't think they I mean it's so quick I don't think they did it for

508
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:54,000
here for this but something to keep an eye out for all right now we get asked

509
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,359
this a lot I know it's sort of a terrible question but I'm going to ask

510
00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:03,240
it to you anyway if you had to pick So based on

511
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:07,599
what you are projecting with respect to mantle I mean if you're ter question I

512
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:12,200
know okay if you had to but but the reality of it is it doesn't matter the

513
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:16,119
reality of it is unless to make this decision unless you're someone like you

514
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,920
or me or Ryan who gets to pick whatever damn graphics card they want and put it

515
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:25,359
in their system and they can swap them at a moment's notice Ryan right now what do you think

516
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:30,680
is a more compelling technology mantle or g-sync because those are really the

517
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:33,960
the the big new things from both

518
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,480
camps um I know I know it's a terrible

519
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:41,119
question I'm sorry to do it to it's gsync I

520
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:44,920
mean it's it's g-sync but I'll I'll so

521
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:47,319
I'll say this the g-sync is the most

522
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:52,000
interesting technology for me in gaming kind of period right now but I'm not

523
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:58,800
really super excited about it in its current state right on a 1080p TN panel

524
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:03,319
H it's it's it's much better but I would love to see it on a IPS 1080P or if

525
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:09,240
you're going to keep me on TN put me on a 25 by14 panel 4K is a little bit of a

526
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,680
stretch still but um people people like

527
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:15,720
us that have been you know kind of feeding the Enthusiast base about hey

528
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:19,920
you need to upgrade to this 2560 X 1440 monitor because that is the next thing

529
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:23,240
or look at this 4K stuff you know we did some 4K demos and this is really

530
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:29,800
expensive but if you want to look at what it's going to be like in a year or two years this is awesome now to kind of

531
00:38:27,319 --> 00:38:34,599
be pulled back into hey check out this great technology on 1080p only right now

532
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:40,280
it's a little bit it's a little bit disheartening for that but for mantle

533
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:43,520
it's such kind of it's It's So Far Away it feels so far away even though

534
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:50,040
Battlefield 4 is supposed to be out this year yeah with the m support it just

535
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:52,319
yeah the benefits of it feel so indirect

536
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:57,040
or kind of I don't know wishy-washy like I'm not exactly sure what I'm getting

537
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,400
with it whereas with g-sync I I know and

538
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:03,480
you know exactly what you're getting with it because you got to see it in person and that's something that people

539
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,119
listening don't have the advantage of here's the thing about mantle and uh I

540
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,440
mean with battle Battlefield 4 specifically what what Luke and I

541
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,400
actually noticed because we were we were capturing footage from Battlefield 4 and

542
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:18,160
Assassin's Creed 4 was that Battlefield 4 really doesn't have an issue with

543
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:24,079
tearing in the same way that some other games do so for example Assassin's Creed

544
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,079
4 becomes a tearing disgusting mess as

545
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:30,000
soon as you in certain areas yeah as soon as you Pan the camera in certain

546
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:34,880
areas and it's it's just it's like it's unplayable it's at 60 FPS but who cares

547
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:38,440
cuz it looks awful I I tried it in other areas though it's like very specifically

548
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:42,160
in certain areas so on the other hand Battlefield 4 we didn't really have an

549
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:47,480
issue with it so I look at that and I go okay well yeah if you throw another 10

550
00:39:44,359 --> 00:39:49,680
even or 20% or even up to you know 40%

551
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,560
performance at it that's great with that said Battlefield 4 is also extremely

552
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:56,960
well optimized and we're able to run into high detail settings even on low-end Hardware so so that's a thing as

553
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,640
well so mantle to me is such a mixed bag

554
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:07,800
because there's going to be engines where even with mantle implemented you're still going to have tearing and

555
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:11,359
lagginess all over the place whereas

556
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:14,280
with gsync maybe you don't get the FPS

557
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:18,960
that you do with mantle but man does it ever look smoother you know I I see some

558
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:23,640
people in the in the chat commenting like GNC would be great for mid-range

559
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:28,599
but not for the highend or does gsync even matter with 144 Hertz monitors and

560
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:33,680
I it they're they're fundamentally kind of missing the point of what gsync does

561
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:39,359
right so it's not a replacement I mean it's a replacement for vsync completely

562
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,960
on or off and so even for an argument

563
00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:44,680
that I see on our comment threads a lot is well if you have like a GTX 780 it

564
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:49,160
doesn't even matter if you have gsync right and it's not if you have a monitor

565
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:54,280
limited to 60 HZ but if you have like the ASUS panel that was demoed on it

566
00:40:51,960 --> 00:41:01,520
will run at 144 Herz well now you can run anywhere from 30 to 144 frames per

567
00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:03,520
second without any visual tearing and

568
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:07,319
you don't lose any graph any graphical Fidelity you can turn things up a whole

569
00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:11,040
bunch whereas you know before you would have to worry about well if this one

570
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:16,599
scene or this one part of this mult multiplayer map draws my frame rate

571
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,760
below 120 120 hertz to 60

572
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:22,280
HZ now you don't have to worry about that right and so you know at the NVIDIA

573
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,400
event we don't have to get into it again those developers you know carac who

574
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:31,119
doesn't really work at it anymore but carac and Anderson and Sweeney kind of

575
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:34,680
got up there and said this is perfect for us because it it prevents us from

576
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:39,000
worrying about these really specific edge cases and I think that mean that

577
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:43,560
should mean a lot to Gamers even if it doesn't yet like they don't understand

578
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,160
it until they see it yeah that's uh it's

579
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,800
one of those things where I think a lot of the new technologies coming are going

580
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:55,760
to suffer from the same problem whether it's g-sync or Oculus um or uh uh motion

581
00:41:53,359 --> 00:42:00,280
inputs uh even I mean even something like the new connect from from Microsoft

582
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:04,040
with the new Xbox One where they can show people using it and we're going to

583
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:08,560
see that same stupid commercial that we've been watching since the Nintendo

584
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:13,000
Wii launched of families having fun and dancing around in front of their TVs but

585
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:17,000
beyond that how do you actually get people to understand these Technologies

586
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:22,680
unless you can put them put it on their head or put it in front of their face

587
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:26,520
it's tough like 3D was the first time that that really came to you know to the

588
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:32,400
Forefront for me was like you can't show off 3D Vision and how cool it looks or

589
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:35,079
how cool it doesn't look over video or

590
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:39,160
on text or you know me sitting here talking to people watching a live stream

591
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:42,720
right you gota you got to go see it in person and g-sync is the same way yeah

592
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:48,960
you know we had Tom Peterson out here doing a video with us and we had two of

593
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,640
those g-sync monitors and we for like

594
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:56,440
four hours in the middle of the night tried to figure out a way to show video

595
00:42:53,640 --> 00:43:02,040
of these panels that actually made them look good instead of bad things like a

596
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:05,640
60z capture camera can't show what it

597
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:07,720
does we need is like a variable we need

598
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:13,160
we well we need a capture card with a g-sync module in order to show it I mean

599
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:18,000
I how much would I love it what if you had one of those how much would I love

600
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:21,440
it if NVIDIA produced to go along with

601
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:25,319
their whole uh FCAT initiative if NVIDIA

602
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:28,599
produced a capture card that helped us

603
00:43:25,319 --> 00:43:32,240
benchmark cat H that's an interesting

604
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:33,520
thought or what if a capture card vendor

605
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:37,079
that was kind of already working on DisplayPort stuff started to integrate

606
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:41,160
some of these things so that we could capture variable frame rate technology

607
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:47,680
that's an interesting thought lus wouldn't that be cool then then people

608
00:43:44,839 --> 00:43:51,119
could actually sit and watch it and understand the difference well no it

609
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,720
still wouldn't help them right because we could make variable frame rate videos

610
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:58,160
and then what do they play it back on hold on a second unless they could just

611
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:04,200
a sec we could at least show the tearing

612
00:44:00,839 --> 00:44:06,119
being eliminated so if nothing else we

613
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:11,160
could at least capture tearing versus non- tearing how do how do you display a

614
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:18,760
42 frames per second section of a video on a 60 HZ refresh prate

615
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:21,160
panel yeah it's tough like it's got to

616
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:25,280
be end to end right so you could you could have a you could record it and

617
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:30,119
capture it you could measure performance on it and then I could present fancy

618
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:35,440
graphs to you yes but unless you have a variable refresh monitor on your desk

619
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:41,119
that also has a variable refresh capable video player to read these files then

620
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:45,160
it's not going to work you know I had thought about it as far as hey this

621
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:48,760
would be a great tool for us because the way that capture cards are implemented

622
00:44:46,839 --> 00:44:52,800
now is expensive and not even going to be useful for much longer because uh

623
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:56,400
g-sync is going to completely turn everything on its head in terms of how

624
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:01,960
you can actually capture an output from a graphics card um and then I hadn't

625
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,880
actually gone as far as you know okay could we use it to to present it to

626
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:11,400
other people but no you're absolutely right it wouldn't work at all so keep in

627
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:14,040
mind that the the the capture based

628
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:19,359
stuff or even fraps or whatever method you use even though if you turn vsync

629
00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:26,200
off and measure performance that way you'll still see the performance that

630
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:29,240
you would see on a g-sync monitor so if

631
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,760
I'm running 122 frames per second or

632
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:35,440
something like that and I'm on a if I had gsync monitor that can capture that

633
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:39,200
or present that rather then I will see 122 frames per second in that instance

634
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:46,040
so you know you you'll still be able to measure performance with you know either

635
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:48,559
FCAT capture fraps and but you won't be

636
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:53,200
able to show the kind of experience you get on these different panels so it's

637
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:58,200
NVIDIA has a has a tough job ahead of them to you know go go to any gaming

638
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:01,760
show any land party and I bet you they'll have two dozen g-sync monitors

639
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,640
sitting there for people to walk up and try and and and and try to get the word

640
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:09,000
out about it even then it's a drop in the bucket I mean you look at how NVIDIA

641
00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:13,760
has marketed something like Shield uh we have a new intern here that uh we were

642
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:18,520
we were covering the MGA power are you familiar with MGA power uh I don't think

643
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:22,400
I am okay so they're little Bluetooth controllers that have a mount on them

644
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,280
that's actually quite quite ingenious so that you can put your phone on it and

645
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,160
you can use it to play games and then it also has a power bank in it so you can

646
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:32,880
power your phone at the same time to extend your battery life so it's like uh

647
00:46:30,359 --> 00:46:36,640
it's like Shield light and then when you factor that in with that someone has uh

648
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:42,520
someone has got NVIDIA game stream working with a custom uh with a custom

649
00:46:39,319 --> 00:46:45,960
Android hack um it's it's actually it's

650
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,880
kind of compelling okay so he we were

651
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,319
talking about it and I was talking about like sort of the quality of the

652
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:55,480
controller and the you know the overall experience and I showed him an NVIDIA

653
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:59,440
shield and he's like oh wait I can do what with that thing oh that's cool I

654
00:46:57,359 --> 00:47:05,040
mean he's a mainstream guy and NVIDIA hasn't figured out that they have to

655
00:47:01,319 --> 00:47:07,720
actually spend money on actually

656
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:12,119
reaching more people than the 200 people who are at any given land party because

657
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:16,319
it's just I mean the amount of money it cost them to do something in a land

658
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:21,440
party versus if they set up a kiosk I don't know in a frakin mall or something

659
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:24,240
is is just they're reaching the wrong people they're reaching the people who

660
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:27,880
are actually likely to be watching this show listening to you and me talk about

661
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,200
how amazing it is and probably at least have some ankling of how great it is

662
00:47:29,319 --> 00:47:37,119
whereas they need to reach the mainstream people and they just don't get it I agree I agree it's

663
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:40,720
tough yeah I guess that was pretty much all there is to say about that um so

664
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:44,880
let's move on to some Twitter questions here Brad culio asks is g-sync only

665
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:48,160
NVIDIA and I guess an extension of this is is mantle only

666
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:54,880
AMD yes and yes I guess for now for now

667
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:58,559
so g-sync was invented by NVIDIA they have patents on it and the module that

668
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:03,440
gets installed in these monitors is built by NVIDIA currently so um they

669
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:07,559
said some fancy words like hey we'll we'll consider the licensing model but

670
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:12,240
if you know NVIDIA no it's not going to happen they're not going to allow this

671
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:15,079
to work with AMD graphics cards if AMD wants a g-sync like technology they're

672
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:22,960
going to have to work on one on their own or partner with uh monitor vendors

673
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:25,880
mantle on the other hand AMD or AMD in

674
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:31,440
the past has a more open approach to their Technologies usually because to be

675
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:36,640
quite fair about it they don't have as they don't invest as much resource

676
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:41,000
financially or personnel-wise to invent these Technologies like NVIDIA does and

677
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:43,839
they kind of hope that the community and uh the industry kind of comes to these

678
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:48,119
standards you can look at physics acceleration you at 3D implementations

679
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:55,720
on monitors and and and I think they'll try to do the same thing with gsync but

680
00:48:51,799 --> 00:48:57,440
mantle could be supported by NVIDIA but

681
00:48:55,720 --> 00:49:02,440
think more for Pride issues than anything else that NVIDIA will likely

682
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:06,440
not implement it I mean uh you know just based on the story history between those

683
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:12,559
two companies that was my next question is is there any is there any possibility

684
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,960
in your mind that NVIDIA will adopt

685
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:21,200
mantle no I would say the the best case

686
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:24,520
scenario is Microsoft pays attention

687
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:27,559
gets off his ass and fixes directex to

688
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:30,400
to be more mantle like and they create

689
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:36,240
like a new API that is maybe maybe it's backed by Kronos instead of uh Microsoft

690
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:40,240
and now both of them will support that but it's maybe maybe as a wink wink

691
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:43,799
nudge nudge as it's it's actually just mantle but now it's renamed it's not an

692
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:47,920
AMD technology that seems much much more

693
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:51,559
likely that's a possibility I had not actually considered very uh very

694
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:55,200
interesting good point all right our next question is um when do you think

695
00:49:53,599 --> 00:50:02,079
ddr4 is coming and what are your thoughts on

696
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:05,640
ddr4 uh ddr4 will be in the next

697
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:08,040
Enterprise platform I guess uh what are

698
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:12,559
it Haswell E I think will have ddr4 you know I've been through a lot of

699
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:17,119
these DDR transitions I don't expect a whole lot um the CPUs don't take

700
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:23,480
advantage of memory bandwidth improvements like gpus do and

701
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:28,559
especially it's happened every instance DDR when it launched was slower than the

702
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:31,680
top end SD RAM ddr2 was slower than DDR

703
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:33,839
DDR3 was slower than ddr2 and I expect

704
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:37,799
ddr4 will be slower than the top end DDR3 memory when it launches so it will

705
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:42,200
take a little while for it to kind of catch on and adopt but I don't it's not

706
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:46,079
going to solve any major bandwidth issues that the uh the processor has

707
00:50:44,359 --> 00:50:51,920
maybe to improve integrated graphics performance right so that would be a big

708
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,920
plus yep I mean I guess the uh the the

709
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:59,200
the three things guys are higher latencies higher bandwidth lower power

710
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:04,079
consumption yay oh higher frequencies so four

711
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:07,920
things so it's more of the

712
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:10,079
same uh okay think uh that already does

713
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:14,520
exist just got an SSD for my system best upgrade yet yes you're absolutely right

714
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:18,040
Liam it absolutely is uh here's here's an interesting question why don't we

715
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:23,960
make this our last one here Travis asks what is in your personal rig

716
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:28,760
Ryan okay so that's an interesting question um because I have I guess I

717
00:51:26,799 --> 00:51:33,520
have two right so I've got the one at the office that I would say I spend the

718
00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:38,079
most time on but I do the least gaming

719
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:40,839
on um my system at home that was was the

720
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:44,680
primary gaming PC for a while was it's a uh

721
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:50,280
3770k with probably 16 gigs of RAM in it I don't remember which one it is now and

722
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:53,280
it had a GTX 580 in it so it's not even

723
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:55,559
that new but people always give me crap

724
00:51:53,280 --> 00:52:01,400
for this cuz I don't like my my my primary PC you know what I do on it I

725
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:03,680
write articles and make graphs uh the

726
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:08,400
benefit of doing what I do is that literally as I sit here talking to you I

727
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:14,200
can look at three computers that have uh an r9290 a GTX 780 and a 780 Ti in it

728
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:21,880
and I can just go to any of those anytime I want a game and thanks to Cloud saves it all kind of works

729
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:24,280
magically yeah um but that's that's kind

730
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:29,640
of my copout answer I guess fair enough all right well thank

731
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:33,079
you so much for joining us and okay I'm going to say this again I promise next

732
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:38,240
time next time there will be no technical difficulties is it Me Maybe is am I

733
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:42,000
causing this I don't want to be I don't want to be your bad luck Omen here I

734
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:47,319
really think that it is actually you it's it's the ginger Factor so oh god um

735
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:51,799
his laser eyes shot all the way over here in you can you can feel it coming

736
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:55,799
through the internet wires I feel it yeah through the tubes all right thank

737
00:52:53,799 --> 00:52:59,160
you so much Ryan we'll talk to you soon and hopefully I'll see you at some kind

738
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:03,520
of an upcoming event when someone invites us all somewhere nice there'll

739
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:08,119
be I hope I don't have to go anywhere until CES so I'll see you then I'll see

740
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:12,000
you there yeah okay that sounds good all right take care all right thanks

741
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:16,839
guys all right well that wasn't too painful oh God it kind of was oh you had

742
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:20,280
to hold the connector in place the whole time and I had to like my Knuckles are

743
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:26,960
white the whole time cuz I had to hold it so hard okay oh brilliant okay so now we have do we have to go back to how it

744
00:53:23,799 --> 00:53:32,400
was we have to give me a

745
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:35,200
sec oh no what's happening oh no what's

746
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:40,720
happening okay just like murdered the mixer hopefully nothing actually

747
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:43,240
died is it on it's on it's on okay it's

748
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:46,960
on uh my my twitch chat's not updating anymore so I have no idea what's going

749
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:52,000
on all right I think they can still hear us so

750
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:58,760
let's uh let's keep on going here so this is oh no actually we have our

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sponsor well you do that I got to go running apparently there's a note with

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the cake that says information and instructions and more names and stuff

753
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:14,000
information and instructions or something okay I got a

754
00:54:11,799 --> 00:54:19,400
whole bunch of different messages about more information about the I'm look at

755
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:27,359
it okay but it's probably all a lie I mean you know this right yeah

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company website is hosted on Squarespace and before we were using hold on I'm

771
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actually going to try and load it up here but I hate this keyboard um so

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before we were actually using a WordPress blog and now that we've switched over to it it it was super easy

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to set up so you can either just use their uh build tools or you can instead

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decide to Tinker around in the HTML and CSS and whatever else you want and it

775
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looks like probably everyone's hitting it right now cuz it's a little bit on

776
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:57,760
the slow side but no matter how hard we've hit it during our streams it never

777
00:55:55,119 --> 00:56:00,440
goes down and it does eventually load so we're just going to go ahead and try to

778
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refresh that because that's one of the things that they do do is they ensure

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that your site doesn't go down because they have like a flexible sort of

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bandwidth option so w wow this is

781
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:15,119
actually the first time that it's ever not worked incredibly well and gone

782
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:20,319
incredibly quickly I guess all 4,000 of you are probably hitting it right

783
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:24,000
now oh no I think it actually has to do with the internet connection on this PC

784
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:27,960
because I'm not even able to Twitch chat isn't even updating so all right well I

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speaking of free trials we actually had a contest and we'll be announcing the

789
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winner at the end of the stream here where we had people design their own

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Squarespace site and then tweet us with a hashtag in order to have a chance to

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win their site for a year so that's pretty cool and I'm not sure what what's

792
00:56:55,119 --> 00:57:01,680
going on here but I'm going to try disconnecting from the phone and then reconnecting so that hopefully I will be

793
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:07,400
able to pull up some articles here so we can actually continue this continue this

794
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,400
Stream So what's our next

795
00:57:08,359 --> 00:57:13,359
topic welcome back I was totally reading

796
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:20,119
something else let's go with the videogamer.com article about the

797
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:22,520
Assassin's Creed producer saying that PC

798
00:57:20,119 --> 00:57:26,119
optimization quote unquote oh hey I'm reted to the phone I think the problem

799
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:31,440
was I wasn't thing I'm sorry yeah I read the whole thing okay um okay

800
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:36,079
so update Ubisoft has provided clarification on the comments made so

801
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:41,200
the original allegation was that a Ubisoft staffer basically up and said

802
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:45,960
nope the game's just not real optimized for PC and we don't care but but that

803
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:51,520
was not actually what they meant what they meant is that in the development

804
00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:55,680
process they use the PC as an experimental platform to test things so

805
00:57:54,240 --> 00:58:00,960
so they don't they don't test the performance immediately they test all the Technologies immediately and test

806
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:06,240
the performance later so if we add a bajillion particles every time a Canon

807
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:09,119
fires let's like let's try that and then if it doesn't perform well enough okay

808
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:14,400
we'll just throw a couple more graphics cards in there let's see what it looks like when it's rendered in real time so

809
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:19,559
they use the PC to experiment and then they optimize down from there which is a

810
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:24,119
100% acceptable way to use the PC as a gaming platform so once again The Gaming

811
00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:28,839
Community takes something out of context and blows it out proportion um on the

812
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:33,160
other hand I mean compared to you know how it looks on the consoles our lower

813
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:37,039
end PC really didn't run Assassin Creed 4 that well so compared to Battlefield 4

814
00:58:35,319 --> 00:58:41,920
where we were able to achieve similar image quality with an entry-level PC and

815
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:47,000
the and the two consoles I I would make the argument that Assassin's Creed 4 is

816
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:49,640
not as well PC optimized so there's also

817
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:54,200
that yeah and and throwing that up there a little bit off topic from that um is

818
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,200
that if you read the wording of the original report it does kind of sound

819
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:01,760
like that because he doesn't really specify at which time yep so it like it

820
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:06,319
could be how the question was phrased or whatever but you do have a point but at

821
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:09,720
the same time like we couldn't make it look better or perform better but it's

822
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,240
not that much worse either no it's not that much worse but we'll let you guys

823
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:16,640
be the judge of that because we'll be uploading the footage later on so here

824
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:21,240
was an article posted on the Forum by E chondo this the original article is from

825
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:26,000
The Verge it's extremely long though so uh ich chondo conveniently gave us the

826
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:32,000
highlight so basically the copyright Lobby has been asking

827
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:36,480
for a curriculum to be added in California to teach elementary schoolers

828
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:40,720
the value of copyright and dangers of piracy it's called be a Creator respect

829
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:44,960
the person give credit it's great to create and copyright matters teachers

830
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:48,920
are instructed to tell the class you're not old enough yet to be selling your

831
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:53,200
pictures online but pretty soon you will be and you'll appreciate if the rest of

832
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:57,680
us respect your work by not copying it and doing whatever we want with it

833
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,799
the committee presented the curriculum in September for pilot testing in the

834
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:05,039
current school year but as you might expect teachers associations are skeptical saying the modern curriculum

835
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:09,359
is already full to bursting without the addition of copyright

836
01:00:07,319 --> 01:00:13,839
awareness couldn't have put it better myself don't copy that floppy yeah don't

837
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:18,160
copy that floppy this video is amazing and uh conveniently it has been

838
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:22,480
downloaded and then re-uploaded to YouTube so we can all enjoy

839
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:25,280
it so guys if you haven't seen don't copy that floppy you should probably

840
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:31,640
check it out I didn't realized when I first clicked on it I hadn't seen it before that it's over 9 minutes long

841
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:36,000
yeah and it's like this terrible '90s rap no it's great it's terrible it's

842
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:41,720
great it's terrible you don't understand the '90s if you think it's terrible no no I no I mean I know that I know that

843
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:48,000
it's awesome but it's terrible but it's awesome it's hard to watch it's awesome

844
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:51,280
whatever um moving on to our next topic

845
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:55,440
also related to the

846
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:58,000
MPAA so here's another one security

847
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:01,640
at theat so the npaa wants Advanced anti-piracy measures at movie theaters

848
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:05,119
like night vision goggles movie theaters aren't already making not enough money

849
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:08,760
yeah so so they so there they should be equipping their staff with night vision

850
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:13,119
goggles so they have updated their anti-piracy guidelines for movie

851
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:17,760
theaters to basically um do a couple of things so number one is they're offering

852
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:20,200
a $500 bounty to movie theater employees

853
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:25,400
who are able to catch people pirating which honestly like if if oh man I guess

854
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:29,280
the person would have to be taken into custody so there'd be no incentive for

855
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:32,640
people to like team up make it like a and like try to collect $500 bounties

856
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:38,599
what if you got someone that was underage though yeah oh I wonder so you

857
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:42,400
get like get all your siblings and like catch them all copying movies and like

858
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:46,039
cuz if they're underage they can't go to jail anyway it won't stay on their

859
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:49,559
record so there's that um some pre-release screenings and premieres

860
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:53,400
have employees often equipped with night vision goggles and instructed to closely

861
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:56,599
monitor movie goers in some cases members of the public are as has to hand

862
01:01:54,880 --> 01:02:00,440
over all recording capable devices including phones and Candy not that

863
01:01:58,799 --> 01:02:03,920
candy can record but just because you might be able to like conceal a camera

864
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:06,880
within a bag of candy I suppose I mean or or because they're trying to sell it

865
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:12,039
in the concessions my biggest thing is that they can search you yeah so they

866
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:13,319
can search you now um which is like what

867
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:17,640
prohibiting the use of equipment that can record audio video or even take

868
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:23,599
photographs I mean how extreme is this does anyone actually watch

869
01:02:20,359 --> 01:02:27,400
cams like okay seriously I actually

870
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:29,240
never have okay shyness shyness okay out

871
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:33,920
to all you viewers guys hit us up on Twitch chat or tweet us with this do you

872
01:02:32,279 --> 01:02:39,720
okay you don't have to admit you're a pirate okay but what you can say is I

873
01:02:36,839 --> 01:02:45,400
would watch a cam some you've probably encountered a cam you know rip at some

874
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:50,680
point or another they're terrible they're just terrible like I I was I was

875
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:55,160
somewhere someone was watching a cam not that long ago and within about 5 seconds

876
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:58,760
I was like this is unwatch why why would you even watch the movie like this I'll

877
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:03,440
wait like I'll wait and I'll watch it in a like just I can't watch it in the

878
01:03:00,359 --> 01:03:05,279
theater because it's like $ each and I

879
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:09,480
have a baby and it's hard to get out doesn't mean that I'm going to watch it

880
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:11,079
like this yeah and like I'm usually only

881
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:14,440
going to watch a movie Once usually there are some movies that I've watched

882
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:17,760
like Serenity I've watched 10 bajillion times Firefly I've watched 10 bajillion

883
01:03:16,279 --> 01:03:22,839
times but I'm usually only going to watch something once so if I'm going to watch it I'm not going to watch a caming

884
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:30,640
I'll just wait and watch it later cuz it's going to be way better in way sound

885
01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:32,880
too oh my God sound on cams is terrible

886
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:38,599
practically worthless terrible someone says uh some something

887
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,760
about cam girls okay that makes sense okay well that a cam would be would be

888
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:47,640
more appropriate because I'm not expecting the Blu-ray of like you know

889
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:52,000
um Angie flirts a lot or whatever her name would be on the other end of a cam

890
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:56,839
show to I think we've gotten derailed a little bit here um

891
01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:00,640
okay so it seems like yeah it seems like there's a fair bit of yeah well I'll

892
01:03:58,839 --> 01:04:06,240
I'll wait for Blu-ray or I'll or I'll rent or I'll wait for Netflix or some

893
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,960
kind of reasonable quality that isn't

894
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:11,200
terrible I mean to me honestly the video quality isn't even a big deal uh to me

895
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:15,319
the one that bothers me is the sound quality the audio is always terrible if I just can't hear a bloody thing

896
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:19,559
anyone's saying then what's the point yeah all right so let's talk about the

897
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:23,240
topic that uh unfortunately I would have I thought you and Ryan Ryan's going to

898
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:28,559
have some interesting thoughts on this once he once he looks into it but this

899
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:31,240
is actually fairly recent news um LSI is

900
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:35,119
talking about their new generation controller so it's going to have

901
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:40,319
sandforce branding it's sandforce 3700 series I actually reached out to ad data

902
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:45,079
already and I'm like hey um are you are you guys going to have this and they're

903
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:48,039
like hey yeah don't worry about it soon

904
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:51,880
I'm like yes so uh what this is going to do is it's going to build on the same

905
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:57,160
technology that we've had for really an awfully long time with San Force to

906
01:04:55,079 --> 01:05:00,839
which uh is their ability to compress and decompress data on the Fly this has

907
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:04,760
a couple of effects it improves perceived performance well Real

908
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:07,839
Performance really and number two is it actually makes your SSD last longer

909
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:13,279
because you're committing less data to flash so the the less you write to your

910
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:17,160
SSD the longer it will live um and at the time when it was launched it was it

911
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:21,440
was revolutionary because it also was able to take slow Nan Flash and squeeze

912
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:25,720
unheard of performance out of it well now we are past the point where the

913
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:29,599
flash it self is actually the bottleneck and we are on to the point where SATA 36

914
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:34,520
gbit per second has become the bigger bottleneck well this this my friends is

915
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:40,359
how sandforce 3 as I'll be calling it is going to address that because it

916
01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:44,279
features both a SATA 3 interface and a

917
01:05:40,359 --> 01:05:47,000
native PCI Express interface on the same

918
01:05:44,279 --> 01:05:52,200
chip so instead of having cluggy Bridge chip Solutions and like like like sort

919
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:55,920
sort of we'd have like PCI Express to SATA Bridge chips and then those running

920
01:05:54,279 --> 01:06:01,359
to raid controllers and then those running to what are essentially a bunch

921
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:03,200
of normal ssds laid out on a PCB with

922
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:06,200
SATA wires running through the PCB I mean that's what they were that's what

923
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:10,799
products like Revo Drive were we're going to be looking at instead a

924
01:06:08,119 --> 01:06:16,000
controller that can actually address a massive amount of Flash in a highly

925
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:18,200
parallelized fashion over a much much

926
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:24,559
faster bus I mean even if I recall correctly PCIe Gen 2 1X is 500 megabytes

927
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:30,720
per second so I believe PCI E 31x would be 1 gab

928
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:35,520
per second can you look that up so that I'm not quoting the wrong numbers here

929
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:37,119
it might be 500 for Gen 3 but uh maybe

930
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:42,079
someone in twitch chat wants to correct me I'm talking out of the uh I'm talking

931
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:46,400
out of my butt here I'm having internet issues okay well at any rate okay so

932
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:50,079
basically it's much much faster than SATA 3 is capable of being and you'll be

933
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:53,039
able to plug that directly into a PCI Express slot so there's going to be a

934
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:56,920
variety of different flavors of it intended for entry level we're actually

935
01:06:54,839 --> 01:07:01,319
going to go back to the uh the post on the Forum from digital nav so there's

936
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:05,720
going to be entry level and that's going to be optimized for things like msata or

937
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:11,200
ngff sockets and then there's going to be mainstream client which is going to

938
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:13,359
be like more advanced mini PCIe type of

939
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:17,599
implementations then there's Enthusiast which is going to be 2 and 1/2 inch or

940
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:24,240
you know PCIe cards and that's going to support up to PCIe 4X and full power

941
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:28,240
fail um protection so that's really cool and then all the way up to Enterprise

942
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:31,799
Products so this is extremely exciting because it's been quite a while since

943
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:35,640
we've been seen significant innovation in SSD performance I mean we've been

944
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:40,359
limited by SATA for quite some time now I mean Samsung's done some cool stuff

945
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:43,680
with things like their RAM caching yeah but we've we've we've had like you kind

946
01:07:42,279 --> 01:07:48,400
of just said we've had for a long time a new SSD comes out and it's like oh it's

947
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:52,400
basically the same as the last one okay and then people just kind of like

948
01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:55,039
stopped releasing new ssds for a while there it was like every few weeks so oh

949
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:58,760
there's another one oh there's another one but then yeah yeah that went on for

950
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:03,119
a long time I mean that wasn't that wasn't bound to be sustainable anyway we

951
01:08:01,279 --> 01:08:08,359
all we all should have known that yeah my internet's down again too so is is

952
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:12,400
yours back up mine is like semi up I'm trying to find here it is right there

953
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:17,799
right there I need I need gen three okay PCI Express 3 blah blah blah blah blah

954
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:22,319
blah yep oh I was right awesome8 GT bit rate so about 1 Gigabyte

955
01:08:20,440 --> 01:08:28,759
per second for for a 1x link so if you have a 4X link we're talking 4 G btes

956
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:32,199
per second monstrous all right so we're

957
01:08:28,759 --> 01:08:35,920
about to have our best EA moment I love

958
01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:37,960
this in probably months um this makes me

959
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:42,719
I don't know why but it makes me more happy than it makes me angry really this

960
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:47,120
makes you happy I I just so Need for Speed Rivals is locked at 30 frames per

961
01:08:45,480 --> 01:08:55,719
second on the PC this was posted by pmit g whatever

962
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:58,480
you pronounce that um really EA like

963
01:08:55,719 --> 01:09:04,159
really the best one the best one is when he brings it Beyond 60 FPS okay so hold

964
01:09:01,799 --> 01:09:10,000
on hold so there's a total there's a total biscuit video about this which is

965
01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:11,799
which is amazing and um so beyond

966
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:15,719
limiting the game to 30 frames per second like like like I mean that that

967
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:21,159
is probably the worst carryover I've ever seen from a console Port this aside

968
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:24,880
from like like press start to continue where they don't even bother to like

969
01:09:22,759 --> 01:09:30,679
rename anything change the word to enter I mean this is terrible so get this if

970
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:35,040
you hack the config files and manage to get it running at 60 FPS the game runs

971
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:39,400
twice as fast it's a commit it's yeah it's not hack the game okay I'm using it

972
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:44,520
colloquially okay I haven't seen that since like

973
01:09:41,799 --> 01:09:49,799
Commander Keen okay seriously he got it he he got it

974
01:09:47,799 --> 01:09:53,040
faster than two times as fast too I I don't think he actually got it to 120

975
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:57,679
FPS but he got it pretty high and it's just hilarious and the rest of the game

976
01:09:54,960 --> 01:10:00,880
doesn't run as fast as you do either so if you do this you're like way faster

977
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:05,800
than all the other cars that you're supposed to be chasing but you can't control yourself

978
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:09,000
because you're going so quickly so you just kind of like smash into

979
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:17,719
everything it's hilarious EA is basically programming for

980
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:20,520
Doss this yeah like are they not

981
01:10:17,719 --> 01:10:25,840
familiar with the with the timer that's built into Windows to prevent this I

982
01:10:23,159 --> 01:10:29,400
just I gave up um with Need for Speed once they once like the original crew

983
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:32,679
that was making Need for Speed left because I feel like it lost all of its

984
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:38,360
like it doesn't feel like the same game anymore um and ever since then like just

985
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:43,400
all the bad seems to be coming from it and that just that wreaks of all the

986
01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:49,520
bad like why ridiculous anyways let's move on to

987
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:51,080
this topic okay so um PlayStation 4

988
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:55,920
they're all defective they all have dead HDMI ports or something once again once

989
01:10:53,960 --> 01:11:02,040
again people overreacting a little bit but check this out this is actually kind

990
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:05,080
of uh here we go I mean it seems like no

991
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:07,560
console launch can exist without uh

992
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:12,960
without some kind of you know epic Hardware failure so here's a here's a

993
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:22,199
Vine oh no yeah okay so basically Xbox

994
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:24,880
Xbox Ones are are scratching discs that's a new thing there's actually a

995
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:29,080
huge warning right on the front of it that says don't move the console while

996
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:33,679
you know anything's going on then there's a there's a fair number of posts

997
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:36,679
what I suspect so okay so Microsoft staff we're terribly sorry for the

998
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:39,840
problems with the disc drive to make up for that we'll be replacing the games so

999
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:45,600
you can buy them digitally we'll be doing this we'll doing that I'm pretty sure that's not actually a real thing um

1000
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:50,960
pretty sure he just wrote that oh Sor don't quote that as Microsoft no not

1001
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:53,400
quot not not quoting that so I mean

1002
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:56,440
we've seen all this before Xbox 360 and that's what that's what they did with

1003
01:11:54,719 --> 01:12:00,719
Xbox 360 is they just they dealt with the games so we'll see probably

1004
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:06,639
something similar I really don't think it's the end of the world this quote if you read the whole thing goes on to to

1005
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:12,040
make fun of physical media which shouldn't exist anymore but uh whatever

1006
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:16,639
man I don't actually necessarily care about the disc I just kind of want the

1007
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:20,280
Box well then you can just 3D print a box but then it's not as good so we'll

1008
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:26,320
come full circle box yeah we'll come full circle to physical media being

1009
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:27,600
irrelevant and then relevant again I'm

1010
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:31,679
cool with that you just make you just make your own digital download and then

1011
01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:35,560
make your own one anyway you can digital download the game which is literally

1012
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:40,840
digitally downloading the 3D printable game yeah you can digital download board

1013
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:43,360
games yeah exactly there you go that'll

1014
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:48,120
be a thing and someone's like these are 40 gig games it's like

1015
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:50,960
okay that's a thing that's why that might be coming back around again

1016
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:54,440
actually people might need discs again because it'll take too damn long to

1017
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:58,080
download games okay that's internet infrastructure isn't

1018
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:03,880
going as fast as it should be okay but on the other hand it's not like steam hasn't figured this out pre-download be

1019
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:06,639
ready to play when it launches yeah but games are still getting bigger people

1020
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:11,880
were pre- downloading Cod and just being like what I can't even figure out why

1021
01:13:09,239 --> 01:13:15,360
cod's so big because they're lying I swear to God they were lying about their

1022
01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:20,080
RAM they probably have just gigantic empty files like seriously so I think

1023
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:24,239
someone's going to find all the ginormous files that claim to be

1024
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:27,280
textures and aren't yeah because like it's I wouldn't be surprised at all

1025
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:32,040
because like the six gab thing was complete crap okay or there's going to

1026
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:34,880
be like 25 gigs of DLC that turns out to

1027
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:40,120
be like he's already in several several million skins for the

1028
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:42,080
dog that's what it'll be dog armor any

1029
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:46,040
type of dog and then any type of mixed breed

1030
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:51,679
dog and then any color of all of those things goldplated dog yeah goldplated

1031
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:54,239
dog 300 300 head shots get a goldplated

1032
01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:57,199
dog I'm I'm clearly having a bit of a rough day here so I don't know how much

1033
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:04,840
longer we're going to keep going but this is extremely exciting so here is a

1034
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:08,320
o go away wow much gold plate okay thank

1035
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,320
you for the ad okay there we

1036
01:14:08,679 --> 01:14:17,000
go can't say that man so posted by C

1037
01:14:13,239 --> 01:14:20,719
Gutman on XDA Developers this is the

1038
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:23,360
GitHub project and it is very very cool

1039
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:26,560
so with Qualcomm s so's as well as with Tegra 4S although I can't think of many

1040
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:30,920
Tegra 4 devices where this would be relevant because so far they're all made

1041
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:36,199
by NVIDIA and support gamestream anyway but there are five updates now on a

1042
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:37,360
project that has additional controller

1043
01:14:36,199 --> 01:14:42,120
support so you're not going to be limited to just the uh the controller

1044
01:14:39,639 --> 01:14:45,239
built into the Shield or you know whatever controllers happen to be

1045
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:50,920
compatible with that particular device so MOA Pro PS3 Xbox and shield

1046
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:54,440
controllers are working with it um we are going to have gam stream to your

1047
01:14:52,679 --> 01:14:57,760
mobile device now there's still some restrictions so you're still going to

1048
01:14:55,880 --> 01:15:02,840
need a good Wireless implementation so if you have something like an S4 with AC

1049
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:05,440
Wireless or or an HTC1 with AC Wireless

1050
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:10,080
that's going to work well and they are they're able to add multi-threaded h264

1051
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:15,199
decoding to the point where as long as you have something that's reasonably high performance so tgra 3 is working

1052
01:15:13,239 --> 01:15:19,440
okay but not well enough you are going to be able to use NVIDIA game

1053
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:24,440
stream that's actually pretty freaking cool which is amazing so you can get a

1054
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:30,560
demo of the in progress APK and then uh so we've had success

1055
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:33,360
with uh low h264 decoding latency on

1056
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:37,920
Snapdragon S4 Pro 600 devices like the Nexus 7 and

1057
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:43,800
HTC1 um no we just need everything to have HDMI out yeah like that's awesome

1058
01:15:41,719 --> 01:15:47,360
Isn't that cool I I had briefly read over this I didn't really yeah that's

1059
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:51,800
because I want my phone to be able to do that that was my whole thing I believe I

1060
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:56,000
already brought this up with you so as much as I don't think Shield is the

1061
01:15:53,520 --> 01:16:00,760
future I think streaming technology is the future and this actually ties in

1062
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:07,080
very closely to I really hope I posted this in the

1063
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:13,000
dock because I don't see it right now uh steam's uh steam's group where you'll be

1064
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:16,679
able to try their game streaming feature

1065
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:19,679
I don't think so steam streaming stream

1066
01:16:16,679 --> 01:16:22,000
streaming stream steaming your stream

1067
01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:26,719
will be clean that should be a thing stream

1068
01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:31,560
steaming that should be a that should be a group of guys on Twitch should be

1069
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:33,440
stream stream Steamers twitch should

1070
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:36,560
have stream Steamers and they should go around to different twitch channels and

1071
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:41,639
like clean out all the spam so guys check this out steam inhome streaming is

1072
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:45,560
a way for people with a good home network to seamlessly play their Steam

1073
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:49,159
games between two computers anywhere in the house the feature will be available

1074
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,920
for early feedback in an upcoming beta test and beta participants will be

1075
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:56,120
randomly selected for members of this group so join

1076
01:16:53,800 --> 01:17:01,199
go join this group so you can try it out because it sounds absolutely amazing

1077
01:16:58,440 --> 01:17:06,120
they have a Q&A on the page but it looks like one of the things that had me most

1078
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:10,199
excited about Steam OS is actually just going to be a thing that valve's going

1079
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:16,920
to be trying to bring to their platform in general how freaking exciting is that

1080
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:20,600
because there is no reason why a gigabit Ethernet connection couldn't handle

1081
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:26,159
1080p streaming which means that unless you have a 4K TV which you don't

1082
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:30,480
well I I really don't think anyone watching has a 4K TV someone is probably

1083
01:17:28,639 --> 01:17:34,560
going to say they do just to troll you and then there's going to be the one dude that actually does and he's going

1084
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:39,840
to try and say it everyone's going to assume he's trolling to tell them that he doesn't see there so there's no way

1085
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:43,400
seven people that already said they do there's no way that I can be wrong so

1086
01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:48,400
anyway you can you'll be able to stream 1080p from your powerful game I mean

1087
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:53,280
this is what I wanted personal cloud to me is the future I mean being able to

1088
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:59,320
build your own cloud storage your own gaming your own cloud ah so cool and I

1089
01:17:57,199 --> 01:18:02,000
was we were worried about it like okay I don't know if you were necessarily

1090
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:05,920
worried about it I was kind of the whole Cloud thing being I've pretty much had a

1091
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:09,480
hard phone on it from like day one yeah yeah did I say hard phone you definitely

1092
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:13,400
said hard phone I'm hard phone on it I mean what does that even

1093
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:19,440
mean I am so tired that's why I disagreed with you cuz I was like

1094
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:21,960
whatever that is it's awesome so

1095
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:24,480
sure but yeah I I wanted private Cloud forever and I was worried because

1096
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:28,040
everything was going external Cloud but then the NSA came out was all jerks and

1097
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:32,239
then everyone's like oh private Cloud I'm like yay I wanted that anyway so

1098
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:37,360
that works for me what are you going to hard phone next I think I'm just done

1099
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:42,480
here thank you guys very much for watching The W show today um and putting

1100
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:46,320
up with the technical difficulties that we went through as usual I'm sorry that

1101
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:50,800
I couldn't be a little bit more together today but we it's it has been an

1102
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:54,920
extremely trying week yeah actually we had a shoot on Monday that was that was

1103
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:59,600
an on location shoot and then on Tuesday I don't even know what happened

1104
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:04,280
Tuesday Tuesday I was catching up last week was a short week due to Remembrance

1105
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:08,560
Day short weeks kind of demolish us so I mean we didn't have enough time to get

1106
01:19:05,639 --> 01:19:11,960
everything done in the first place um oh oh Chris has Hangouts uh slick will do

1107
01:19:10,440 --> 01:19:18,360
Hangouts I'm just going to leave after I do my apology for being terrible at

1108
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:21,960
streaming um no no Chris says see Chris

1109
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:24,800
says build blogs on Hangouts Okay okay

1110
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:29,280
we got it hard phone is that a hard phone I mean Wednesday Wednesday I don't

1111
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:34,280
know what happened I think I filmed things and then yesterday I oh I spent

1112
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:38,000
most of Wednesday and Thursday trying to get HDMI capture working and then I'm

1113
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:42,400
going to spend most of tonight editing a video and then I'm flying out tonight or

1114
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:46,080
this morning I still have to do Xbox one yeah which has been creepily watching us

1115
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:51,880
this whole time the red lights really throw me off yeah it actually is like

1116
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:53,560
the three like dark dim deep red lights

1117
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:57,800
that are in the middle of the connect are just creepy it's good thing it's not

1118
01:19:55,840 --> 01:20:03,840
two if you it's like two and then one underneath but if you drag down it's a

1119
01:19:59,719 --> 01:20:07,639
Diablo symbol Dia 3 like if you were

1120
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:11,080
able to yeah I think I'm done

1121
01:20:07,639 --> 01:20:13,920
here use this for what oh did I does it

1122
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:19,440
even have office on it I don't know but I have HDMI on this laptop oh well will

1123
01:20:16,199 --> 01:20:21,159
it work probably let's find out shall we

1124
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:25,560
anything let's have some more technical difficulties on this stream bring on the

1125
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:29,560
technical difficulties all the technical difficulties guys maybe next week maybe

1126
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:33,159
next week we should do our campaign where we ask for money to buy equipment

1127
01:20:31,639 --> 01:20:36,679
that will allow us to not have to deal with this all the time maybe next week

1128
01:20:34,679 --> 01:20:41,440
we can not be putting the whole set together 5 minutes before the show uh

1129
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:45,159
was it five well I don't know maybe I'd like to hear what these guys think in

1130
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:49,440
twitch chat would you guys rather we bring you the image quality comparison

1131
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:52,360
right away oh the giveaway oh I still need to uh yeah everyone is asking about

1132
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:59,760
this thing I while you do while you do build um I'll I'll figure that

1133
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:02,239
out hey it works no problem at all

1134
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:08,239
hooray okay um yeah are do you are you guys

1135
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,679
happy that we had sort of technical difficulties with the stream but we're

1136
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:16,560
going to bring you our image quality comparison right away or would you have rather waited for

1137
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:22,040
that someone says do the image quality comparison now do it now I don't know

1138
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:26,840
where I'm supposed to get this get in the chopper

1139
01:21:23,719 --> 01:21:26,840
probably that

1140
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:33,960
thing so people are happy they'd rather

1141
01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:37,600
that we have a terrible terrible show so okay the cake I went down okay so what's

1142
01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:43,280
going on with the cake maybe I'll eat some C I looked on the cake I looked at the sides of the cake I looked under the

1143
01:21:41,239 --> 01:21:47,800
cake I didn't look in the cake cuz I was going to wait until you had an

1144
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:50,679
opportunity there's no names there's

1145
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:54,800
nothing I'm not sure I don't have any of the infos wait so we do or we don't know

1146
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:58,800
who sent it we don't well I'm I know it was like Chris and that group of guys

1147
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:04,880
like it was the mods and a few other guys but I don't know exactly who it

1148
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:09,040
was all righty then I'm sure one of them can tell me and I don't like I think

1149
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:12,840
it's like I don't know if it's for a reason more than the fact that it's a

1150
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:16,239
fan which is a no fan which makes sense and is

1151
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:19,840
awesome yeah I think it's awesome that might just be the extent of the reason

1152
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:25,120
but like I don't know if there's I don't know I'm really not a

1153
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:26,520
big fan of this this laptop the blooping

1154
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:29,719
sound that's happening well I'm trying to mute it and like the function key

1155
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:32,840
seems to just not do anything cuz it's just like oh well

1156
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:38,320
pressing F7 does something apparently there was a

1157
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:41,600
reason for what you're talking to me right now oh there's like a compell okay

1158
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:44,400
well I'll go get that once I'm done finding my giveaway winner you should do

1159
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:49,239
build logs of the week at some point here I'm trying you're trying are you

1160
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:53,600
trying are you trying are you trying is this your new form of trolling

1161
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:56,760
you just said say the same word over again I think the real question here is

1162
01:22:55,800 --> 01:23:01,679
am I trying but are you try like trying

1163
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:04,679
patience heart phone are you hard phone hard phone I'm always hard

1164
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:14,639
phone oh oh it's a birthday

1165
01:23:11,679 --> 01:23:19,080
cake apparently lonus Tech tips is five on the 28th

1166
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:23,840
oh I was like okay I don't think it's anyone's birthday but that's cool ah

1167
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:28,679
it's lonus Tech birthday I didn't even know it's funny because someone someone

1168
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:32,280
tweeted me asking if I had anything special planned for like the fifth

1169
01:23:30,679 --> 01:23:35,480
anniversary of lonus tech tips I was like we're

1170
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:41,120
five no I I don't even celebrate my own

1171
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:45,679
birthday you can definitely tell me and him remember like anniversaries and

1172
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:49,320
stuff no well I okay I remember them you put it in a calendar yeah yeah so you

1173
01:23:47,639 --> 01:23:56,080
don't remember it no so apparently it was from Dave St

1174
01:23:52,199 --> 01:23:59,920
strr mape dim ghost wher erino Glenn

1175
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:01,840
ixie Jay Knight and fox that is awesome

1176
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:05,639
thank you so much guys and don't let that yawn sound unappreciative I do

1177
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:11,320
appreciate it very much I'm just extremely tired and yeah I was right

1178
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:12,920
wher sent it that's awesome wher's the

1179
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:17,960
Canadian one so he ends up having to actually send all the

1180
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:26,040
things I might load up all these Squarespace sites and then just let uh

1181
01:24:23,639 --> 01:24:29,280
let uh everyone see them first before I go ahead and pick the winner so go ahead

1182
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:34,600
and do build blogs I I still don't it has to it's I didn't do build logs this

1183
01:24:32,679 --> 01:24:38,440
week I didn't have any time how long does it take to download like seriously

1184
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:42,920
a minute to download well we have other topics so you can find something to talk

1185
01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:48,480
about okay what exactly are you doing I'm

1186
01:24:46,639 --> 01:24:54,880
working okay I'm working on things okay give me

1187
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:57,280
a second what other topics do we

1188
01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:04,400
have there's some quick fire topics I'm that's I'm looking Apple dictionary

1189
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:05,630
definition of gay includes stupid

1190
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:08,600
yep

1191
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:14,320
what is that better or

1192
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:21,760
worse that's very debatable isn't it I mean if they take out the part about um

1193
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:26,440
like homosexual if they take that out and only leave in stupid well no because

1194
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:32,080
you can have multiple definitions so for example the the f word not the not the

1195
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:37,600
that one but the like that one the other one um you know like there's multiple

1196
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:42,280
definitions so derogatory this bundle of sticks and twigs um I think there's at

1197
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:46,800
least a couple other ones and it's actually used as like or was at some

1198
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:50,080
point yeah but in certain areas of so like if you were to if you were to take

1199
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:56,080
the word gay and you were to say you know um homosexual archaic or something

1200
01:25:53,480 --> 01:25:59,719
like that and you were to upate I wish they would do that though but the

1201
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:04,239
problem is that I know gay people that say I'm gay and I'm like okay no not me

1202
01:26:02,679 --> 01:26:09,239
but like they are I just can't communicate right now I shouldn't even be trying to talk about something this

1203
01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:14,080
touchy but you know gay people that say you didn't quote I'm gay yes so so I

1204
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:18,000
kind of look at like okay well if you use it that way we can't really we can't

1205
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:22,320
just say well it doesn't mean that anymore I'm sorry your word is gone

1206
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:27,119
that's true you have to make a new word yeah it'll have to be like puku or

1207
01:26:24,679 --> 01:26:31,440
something yeah puku would be a perfect word for it hello sir I am puku well I

1208
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:36,000
don't think most people are I mean maybe in the future people can just you know

1209
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:41,520
not have to worry about concealing their pess they we live in Canada pity I don't

1210
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:45,280
think it's audity I don't think people have to hide their peity in Canada not

1211
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:49,800
as much that's for sure I don't know anyone actually that hides it that is

1212
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:54,679
whoa well how would you know anyone who yeah

1213
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:58,280
see yeah but most my friends that are

1214
01:26:54,679 --> 01:26:59,719
puku are very open and happy about it is

1215
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:02,639
no issue because are we starting something here I'm trying to start I

1216
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:07,639
hope not no we shouldn't start this I didn't even why AR we starting this why

1217
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:12,520
what is the spelling for puku puku well p o o k l okay yeah yeah yeah yeah

1218
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:16,880
there's only one way to spell it well well because people are spelling it other ways in the chat no no they're

1219
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:20,800
wrong so I thought we might as well give them the proper dictionary spelling of

1220
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:27,199
puku do you know how the word quiz was came to be no someone bet someone else

1221
01:27:23,719 --> 01:27:29,000
that they could invent a word and um the

1222
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:34,000
way that they achieved it was they hired a bunch of school boys to run around

1223
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:38,760
town writing this word everywhere and it became a word people

1224
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:45,080
started using it true story that's actually hilarious

1225
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:47,000
so if we get all of the people watching

1226
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:51,560
in the chat to go write this word all over for ex that I don't actually think

1227
01:27:49,480 --> 01:27:54,440
that the word puku is an appropriate one for what we're talking talking

1228
01:27:56,000 --> 01:28:02,800
about cuz it just sounds kind of stupid

1229
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:05,119
so come with a better one well I I'm

1230
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:10,000
tired I'm tired and cranky do you have build logs what are you do no I don't

1231
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:11,560
what are you even doing I'm working what

1232
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:15,239
is this are you working why does anyone even watch this

1233
01:28:13,719 --> 01:28:24,040
stream well technically we're after hours so are we is this after party

1234
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:24,040
legally no legally no yeah exactly

1235
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:29,719
whatever don't pretend you started work at 9:30 today I did did you earlier than

1236
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:33,800
that actually cuz I know I know some days when I'm not year you kind of set

1237
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:37,040
Flex hours some days you never show up on time

1238
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:40,920
either just saying why do people watch this stream

1239
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:45,000
well I know why they watch the real stream I don't know why they're watching what we're doing right now why are you

1240
01:28:43,679 --> 01:28:48,679
people watching what we're doing right now are we are we are we truly

1241
01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:54,000
entertaining or is our is our like married coupless just frustrating to

1242
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,000
behold

1243
01:28:54,719 --> 01:29:03,960
well well I'm done now I believe that the well no screw you I'm going wow

1244
01:29:01,679 --> 01:29:10,000
that's how it's going to be the first one I don't think uh the name of the guy

1245
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:16,600
would be super happy with pukis

1246
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:18,360
pukis pity pity sorry sorry project pity

1247
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:23,360
Pope Pope I thought the new pope doesn't care

1248
01:29:21,480 --> 01:29:28,320
I thought that's oh yeah he's like cool and stuff yeah okay never mind sorry so

1249
01:29:26,119 --> 01:29:31,639
this is a pretty boss computer you know how you get to change your name when you

1250
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:35,280
become the pope what you can yeah I would totally be Pope cool I well I

1251
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:38,679
think there's a list of names that you can pick from though like you know how

1252
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:46,360
there's been a bunch of Pope Benedicts did you know there was a pope lonus at one point that's pretty cool

1253
01:29:42,199 --> 01:29:46,360
yeah maybe it's bound to happen

1254
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:55,320
again this computer is actually pretty ridiculously Beast is that four p pumps

1255
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:58,760
seriously does that look like four pumps to you I can't even see on your screen

1256
01:29:57,440 --> 01:30:03,600
what a terrible screen I hate it yeah my screen's really bad uh yes wow awesome

1257
01:30:01,719 --> 01:30:07,199
that's amazing that is Beast part of the problem is that lions and I have both

1258
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:10,239
not seen this before that is kind of incredible I really like his runs

1259
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:16,360
they're really straight and if you can see there's his yeah you might say he's

1260
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:16,360
got mad runs he just water cooled

1261
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:24,119
all he's got the runs he's got them in his

1262
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:26,480
computer I

1263
01:30:24,119 --> 01:30:30,280
I I I got it you might even say his computer runs like really

1264
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:38,119
well oh my God I'm sorry uh

1265
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:43,600
P but this is probably there we go

1266
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:47,360
there's some better shots of his actual mobo that's some pretty intense water

1267
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:52,800
cooling all the things he's got going on wow yeah that's incredible what a great

1268
01:30:50,679 --> 01:30:57,320
build normally I don't like builds where people can't really seem to decide on a

1269
01:30:54,920 --> 01:31:01,199
uh on a color scheme it's pretty cool yeah I like it

1270
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:05,280
yeah that worked out pretty well I think he's got I can't really tell I think he

1271
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:08,960
might have two Loops he has to because of the color but

1272
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:13,840
I don't see the rest of it that's the problem so I think some people with this

1273
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:18,920
whole Squarespace website giveaway were um not taking it entirely

1274
01:31:16,679 --> 01:31:24,560
seriously no I'll show you later don't worry it's coming okay moving on big

1275
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:29,800
Lilo with Obi-Wan Shinobi that's an amazing name oh my God that's an amazing

1276
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:38,199
name yeah I know Obi-Wan Shinobi wow I love it that's so good um x58

1277
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:40,760
board really oh it's clean huh I think

1278
01:31:38,199 --> 01:31:46,159
it's just an overall 750s older rig with uh you know an

1279
01:31:43,239 --> 01:31:50,760
update or whatever whatever it looks really

1280
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:55,560
nice I love that res very clean I was so stoked with my T

1281
01:31:54,280 --> 01:32:01,880
Virus when I first got it you move the mouse around so they can see what you're looking at then that

1282
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:05,719
helps love how your demonstration was just

1283
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:08,080
like I couldn't see what I was doing smart

1284
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:14,560
guy oh man yeah super

1285
01:32:15,639 --> 01:32:20,880
clean I like how he mounted his ssds I've wanted to do something interesting

1286
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:25,800
with the mounting of my ssds for a little while because I've always just kind of hid them behind the motherboard

1287
01:32:23,480 --> 01:32:28,440
tray but like how he has it I like having them front facing and if you can

1288
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:34,040
do it kind of stealthy like that it looks really cool there we go there's a

1289
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:35,239
better shot of it so right here just cut

1290
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:41,600
through right there and just push the cables through looks super

1291
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:45,159
nice this looks like he had um hard pipe

1292
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:47,360
and he bent it which is also really

1293
01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:53,119
cool I can't remember the tool that you have to use for that but it's pretty

1294
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:55,639
awesome I think I I've seen this

1295
01:32:53,119 --> 01:32:58,040
one ah was it this guide or a different guy that they did the same kind of thing

1296
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:01,320
and they actually showed the technique on our website so that's pretty

1297
01:33:03,159 --> 01:33:10,880
cool I don't know if I can decide some of these are actually surprisingly

1298
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:15,600
good this one I think is just a template but yeah no no some some of them some of

1299
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:19,880
them are actually surprisingly uh surprisingly good maybe do one more

1300
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:26,679
topic while I continue to review the 290x birthday cake speaking about cake

1301
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:30,000
with like fans and stuff this is a 290x

1302
01:33:26,679 --> 01:33:31,119
birthday cake yeah I know right that's

1303
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:38,920
awesome it would have been even better if it had arrived right when we were talking about that yeah it well it would

1304
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:41,719
have been pretty cool uh yeah never mind he shouldn't have named it he should

1305
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:47,719
it's like he should have said like it's an AMD birthday cake and then he should have let everyone in the comments rage

1306
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,719
about which card it

1307
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:54,800
was you know they would cuz they all look the same

1308
01:33:52,639 --> 01:33:58,280
I don't know if it's long enough to be a 290x that might be a

1309
01:33:58,440 --> 01:34:05,320
270x okay I want to start a discussion someone should actually measure it

1310
01:34:03,119 --> 01:34:08,719
out and figure out if it's long enough I don't think we have enough for okay well

1311
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:14,520
if we assumed that the PCI bracket is to scale it's accurate yeah you have to it

1312
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:19,239
looks like there is one under there or they did an incredibly good job with it

1313
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:21,159
to be honest cuz look at that oh no I

1314
01:34:19,239 --> 01:34:27,159
didn't mean the PCI I meant the PCI bracket oh but yeah we could go by oh yeah that

1315
01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:32,280
does look pretty good doesn't it your display is terrible I know I know can it

1316
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:36,440
can you turn the brightness up oh well that'll help I can't even tell if that's

1317
01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:42,600
it looks real no no it's not the spacing is not

1318
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:46,880
even I don't think it's real I just I couldn't tell if the spacing being not

1319
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:51,920
even was a problem with the camera it's good but yeah all right can I have the

1320
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:55,760
HDMI cable back yep all right so we had

1321
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:58,920
a a win your Squarespace website contest

1322
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:01,239
and um the idea was that I'm supposed to

1323
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:05,480
pick the winner but some of these are actually surprisingly uh surprisingly

1324
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:09,480
good before before you keep on going with that apparently our fly team is in

1325
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:12,280
the 60th spot apparently we blasted through a million points which is pretty

1326
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:18,159
aggressive so if you guys want to join up on a folding team ours is rising

1327
01:35:14,679 --> 01:35:20,040
really fast to jump right on there okay

1328
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:23,360
yay Firefox have you noticed it's been incredibly unstable lately yeah I mov

1329
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:26,920
back to Nightly and it's running better again that seems to be a consistent

1330
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:30,840
thing like what the he like it's been crashing on me all over the place lately

1331
01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:34,920
yeah the pre-alpha is more stable than the release version it's weird like

1332
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:38,320
brilliant I think it's flash problems it's like what were you guys actually

1333
01:35:36,199 --> 01:35:41,159
doing all this time I hate flash problems because every time I kill flash

1334
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:47,239
it stops freezing okay but like no one else has

1335
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:50,560
those problems I know I'm just saying no I'm not saying no one else has those

1336
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:57,239
problems I'm obviously having problems I mean no other uh browser all right okay

1337
01:35:54,800 --> 01:36:01,639
so we had a few submissions actually I I hadn't had any until I tweeted out about

1338
01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:04,880
it being like hey yo dog uh we haven't had many submissions so you can still

1339
01:36:03,159 --> 01:36:11,239
have a pretty good chance to win up he that's my friend is it yeah oh I guess I

1340
01:36:07,679 --> 01:36:13,040
can't really vote on this oh like I I

1341
01:36:11,239 --> 01:36:18,760
went to school with him cool all right so this one well where

1342
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:24,719
should we start come on Firefox you can do it I believe in you not a single yeah

1343
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:33,800
loaded yet no is this Firefox or is this your tether oh it's probably the

1344
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:33,800
tether oh come on win stream is

1345
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:41,400
win yeah I know right okay so let's try a more different

1346
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:49,119
network okay and then let's see if this one just is like magically working now I

1347
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:54,400
don't think the wireless on this laptop's very good there we go think the

1348
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:59,239
the laptop on this laptop well there's aspects of it that are good yes the

1349
01:36:56,520 --> 01:37:03,960
processor is good that is true made by Intel

1350
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:06,639
yeah so what you're implying that there's not a whole lot to go wrong if

1351
01:37:05,239 --> 01:37:12,520
you put an what are you some kind of Intel fan boy oh since when has the

1352
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:18,920
processor been a major problem in a laptop um unless it's like ancient or

1353
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:22,520
way underpriced all right so John wer here this one's pretty rudimentary so I

1354
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:27,280
don't think we're probably going to go with this one anyway sorry to friend

1355
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:32,560
here okay so the problem seems to be that function lock is enabled that's why

1356
01:37:30,119 --> 01:37:37,679
it's doing unpredictable things so it just says don't panic and you can see

1357
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:42,679
that uh he's using a template that has stuff here that you can switch between

1358
01:37:41,239 --> 01:37:47,400
so go ahead and click on that can can you go to code is that possible maybe is

1359
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:50,360
it going to load well the issue is that I keep not being able to even like click

1360
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:55,400
on things properly yeah I know I think our internet connection down again

1361
01:37:52,119 --> 01:37:55,400
brilliant so back to the

1362
01:37:55,520 --> 01:38:03,360
tether yes sweet I like I don't understand how the

1363
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:08,280
wireless could be so like we weren't having issues with the wireless on this

1364
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:08,280
before were we

1365
01:38:09,599 --> 01:38:13,719
no yeah I was going to ask you about

1366
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:22,159
that I'll talk about it later okay oh

1367
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:28,679
holy balls okay so I think you have to hold function to

1368
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:31,320
get like F5 to do something or I could

1369
01:38:28,679 --> 01:38:37,360
just go up here and oh yeah cuz right well then the the Nexus takes a while to

1370
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:38,960
like decide that are you worthy yeah are

1371
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:44,199
you worthy of having the internet should I actually give you the benefit of my

1372
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:48,679
wires I'm not sure how warm is it running not I am a

1373
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:51,360
Nexus you know what though battery life while tethering is actually not that bad

1374
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:57,480
people have been raging about the battery life but Brandon saying he's super happy with it I've reached the end

1375
01:38:55,080 --> 01:39:02,639
of the day with as much as 50% yeah which isn't as good as the Z1 but the Z1

1376
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:07,000
had a whole other host of issues that I wasn't a huge fan of so this guy's

1377
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:12,320
getting pretty old and I I'm sure seriously S3 is old now well with my

1378
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:17,560
usage it's getting a little bit weathered I use it a lot um and for for

1379
01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:24,239
how long I've had it and how much I've used it and how much I've like full drained the battery and like bad things

1380
01:39:21,639 --> 01:39:28,960
um now that sanen Mod's on it does pretty good I can get to the end of like

1381
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:34,199
I've used it a fair amount today and I'm at 73% like that kills what it used to

1382
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:39,880
be right it used to be I wouldn't use it all day and I'd get to 4:00 and i' be

1383
01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:41,719
dead right so like I'm pretty stoked

1384
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:44,920
actually I can easily get to the end of the day with a good amount of percentage

1385
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:51,960
L yay touch whiz yeah I I like I miss

1386
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:54,119
my probably

1387
01:39:51,960 --> 01:40:00,080
it's probably locked at a 30 FPS it's locked at 30 FPS if you if you unlock

1388
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:05,239
your phone to 60 FPS it runs to as fast so yeah the network connection is so

1389
01:40:02,599 --> 01:40:09,119
slow can you email me all of these links and we can just open them on my laptop

1390
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:13,360
that might for some reason I think this is working let's let's see is your still

1391
01:40:10,639 --> 01:40:19,960
is your Still rocking let's see Dash rocking the

1392
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,960
internet

1393
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:31,320
yeah that's better no you have to go well that's the thing is I've already like loaded everything up on here and

1394
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:34,239
like entered all of the stupid captas in order to look at these sites that's a

1395
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:37,599
really easy capture that's not going to stop anything I know I don't even know

1396
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:41,960
why it's there but like it's actually dude it even loads better on

1397
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:50,880
mine what oh wait what oh now I'm confused

1398
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:52,320
what is what are they doing what are

1399
01:40:50,880 --> 01:41:00,960
what are they doing with this browser right now nightly pones man I can't go

1400
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:05,159
to no I think it worked before I think code is dead though I don't think code

1401
01:41:02,719 --> 01:41:10,280
is a working link oh okay well at any rate that's not going to win so let's

1402
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:13,239
move on to the next one this one might

1403
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:19,440
win so this uh someone built a little like e-commerce website that presumably

1404
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:22,719
sells farts so the Slick is

1405
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:26,599
$300 the two is

1406
01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:28,080
$19.99 and rolling thunder is $39.99 so

1407
01:41:26,599 --> 01:41:31,840
that's a bit of an upgrade over the toot and finally the Rev head which is a

1408
01:41:29,679 --> 01:41:36,520
picture of an engine uh is $45 you can own your own if you click on

1409
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:42,639
here and that is the same page okay I think they get marks off for that and

1410
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:46,480
also the fact that they Chris clearly didn't take this seriously at all uh

1411
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:49,119
next up we've got this one didn't load correctly cuz my internet wasn't working

1412
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:56,320
looks like my internet's working now just we were trying to click on a dead oh no is it now it's working slightly

1413
01:41:53,719 --> 01:42:00,520
better I think that's supposed to load a card from the game that I don't remember

1414
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:05,920
the name of that's made by blizzard Hearthstone really you couldn't

1415
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:09,639
how many hours have you spent playing Hearthstone a fair amount I've played a

1416
01:42:08,119 --> 01:42:13,850
lot more playing wow and it has hearth stones in

1417
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:15,719
it I should have

1418
01:42:15,719 --> 01:42:22,599
known this is a block field see these are not loading correctly guys this is

1419
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:26,599
this Joy I know him too I know like all the people that submitted websites okay

1420
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:30,400
they're supposed to look more like this but but the internet is a terrible thing

1421
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:35,840
okay so maybe what I'll do guys is I'll tweet out the winner later because this just clearly isn't working I'm going to

1422
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:41,920
go get the cake are we still going to be streaming

1423
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:41,920
or are we stopping this I don't

1424
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:48,719
know are you coming back I don't know

1425
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:52,119
he's not sure okay well I'm going to try

1426
01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:54,080
and grab y for these things so we can at

1427
01:42:52,119 --> 01:42:59,960
least freaking look at them oh that loaded now so there we

1428
01:42:57,719 --> 01:43:06,159
go this is where I'd put my appren ship if I had one what is this supposed to

1429
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:09,480
be think you about

1430
01:43:06,159 --> 01:43:13,760
Hardware no content

1431
01:43:09,480 --> 01:43:13,760
portfolio not a thing software

1432
01:43:16,119 --> 01:43:19,639
list that's pretty

1433
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:28,400
cool ah you could hyperlink the

1434
01:43:24,639 --> 01:43:28,400
words that would makeig things

1435
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:35,159
easier now that you left your computer's working fine awesome it just doesn't

1436
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:42,480
like you anymore I'm going to leave this image on screen overheated I'm so hot

1437
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:45,280
probably your pillow is like gross thank

1438
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:49,080
you for that are you want to take some cake

1439
01:43:46,440 --> 01:43:53,239
Brandon would who would say no not a cake I

1440
01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:58,119
brought a plate and a Knife by the way I yeah that's fine all right I love how

1441
01:43:55,960 --> 01:44:01,880
you didn't bring like there's only one plate because you apparently don't

1442
01:43:59,719 --> 01:44:05,080
believe in dishes no eating you well I ran the dishwasher if you looked in the

1443
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:09,000
dishwasher you ran the dishwasher and that's an excuse for not having clean

1444
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:12,880
dishes no they're all clean they're in Howes your mind even function they're in

1445
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:15,639
the dishwasher clean in the dishwasher clean why would they be clean if they

1446
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:19,400
were in the dishwasher cuz I haven't taken them out yet why haven't you taken

1447
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:23,880
them out yet if they're clean see logical no because if they were clean

1448
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:28,119
you would have taken them out so clean makes it instantly

1449
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:31,520
out um so if it's clean and in the dishwasher and your mind it is not clean

1450
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:34,159
well if dishwashers worked the way that I think they should then yes you should

1451
01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:40,960
take the I'm very tired don't hurt

1452
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:46,719
yourself I should not be operating heavy machinery rece all the oh that's all the

1453
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:52,239
receipts that you owe me I think so could be wrong please don't hurt

1454
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:55,000
yourself I have I have sliced the cake

1455
01:44:52,239 --> 01:44:59,639
nope nope I can handle this or don't hurt anyone else don't do

1456
01:44:58,119 --> 01:45:03,800
that don't do what I thought you were going to lick the ne no I'm not going to lick the bad IDE what are you even doing

1457
01:45:02,480 --> 01:45:10,719
I don't know I'm trying to hold this can you hold this I we both just

1458
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:16,170
offer don't kill anyone hold on I'm trying to cut a piece no I can do

1459
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:23,520
this I just want some cake

1460
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:26,880
you didn't bring anything to eat it with what makes you think I need anything to

1461
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:33,239
eat it with oh God it looks really good what kind I I

1462
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:34,599
have no idea a knock knock to a cake

1463
01:45:33,239 --> 01:45:42,239
hopefully it tastes better than knock to a Fan's look okay so you have a plate

1464
01:45:38,719 --> 01:45:45,719
I'll take this oh God okay here you go

1465
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:45,719
why did you even need a

1466
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:54,040
oh why did you even need a plate then for you but you didn't bring me any

1467
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:59,239
utensils to use so it's not any cleaner why do you need them here thank you

1468
01:45:57,239 --> 01:46:05,800
Brandon cuz go to

1469
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,800
bed with

1470
01:46:09,719 --> 01:46:17,080
who I need to work actually do you yeah

1471
01:46:14,440 --> 01:46:20,080
what are you going to do are you are you like sensible enough to actually edit

1472
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:26,760
something right now or should you just sleep still oh we're definitely still

1473
01:46:23,719 --> 01:46:31,800
streaming yeah that that didn't stop

1474
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:34,199
okay no I don't know you know it's funny

1475
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:38,320
because people often criticize my unprofessionalism on this show and yep

1476
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:45,800
and then you always say we're going to be more professional and then you ensure that we definitely are not every time we

1477
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:51,000
try to do something more professional people say they don't like it we should

1478
01:46:47,679 --> 01:46:53,119
go back to the old way not true not true

1479
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:56,520
and someone says they don't like it well it's because usually when we try to do

1480
01:46:54,440 --> 01:47:00,040
something more professional we fail because we don't put any effort into it

1481
01:46:58,199 --> 01:47:05,440
and that and just people no we put effort into it we don't put planning

1482
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:08,040
into it or planning yeah planning is the

1483
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:14,239
problem effort is not the problem of effort a fork thank you B why

1484
01:47:13,119 --> 01:47:19,320
would you need a fork you know it actually tastes exactly

1485
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:25,840
the same if you eat it out of your hands I don't think he knows that might

1486
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:30,400
taste better if you have crappy Forks it could taste like B oh someone wants to

1487
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:35,679
know who won the lonus and Logan giveaway uh yes we have chosen a winner

1488
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:39,880
but I haven't coordinated with him for the announcement for us to do it at the

1489
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:42,880
same time yet so

1490
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:49,760
sorry why don't you eat the bottom I

1491
01:47:47,639 --> 01:47:53,639
don't really like the outside it's pretty heavy

1492
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:57,760
like it's it's like I think it's do

1493
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:02,239
they starts and the brown stuff's kind

1494
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:09,080
of like gum it's like I can't what it's called

1495
01:48:04,719 --> 01:48:11,520
start with a P or something pH what it's

1496
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:15,159
like acid no it's like there's acid in the cake well probably well in my

1497
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:18,239
weakend state that'll be even more of a problem well there's probably some

1498
01:48:16,719 --> 01:48:23,199
amount of it I meant lfd I know but that's not

1499
01:48:21,719 --> 01:48:26,239
what I meant you should probably have some

1500
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:31,639
right now it probably be perfect time me yeah

1501
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:36,639
why not I don't think so are you phone hard are you hard phone hard foam no it

1502
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:39,719
was phone not foam that's what I said I can't hear you very well cuz I'm

1503
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:49,199
tired okay so the Cake's good what's

1504
01:48:47,599 --> 01:48:55,960
this thing now I don't

1505
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:58,599
know it's it's not the most appealing it

1506
01:48:55,960 --> 01:49:01,760
looks really cool like I like I think that's why they were able to build a fan

1507
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:06,560
out of it it's the same stuff they use on like and like shap

1508
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:13,080
CES that's yeah it's like but it's like

1509
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:20,480
pretty solid actually it's like it's like the solidest densest like sugar

1510
01:49:16,599 --> 01:49:22,199
thing that um sugar and FL yeah yeah

1511
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:29,000
that's probably it 10 billion people are saying fond

1512
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:30,800
Dent fondant cool someone says it's not

1513
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:36,760
fond it's Mars thean either way I don't really like it

1514
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:40,480
but uh my wife loves this kind of stuff does she so I'll take some for her for

1515
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:46,320
sure perfect and I like that it looks like a fan me too yeah

1516
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:51,000
wouldn't we should have probably like pict taken a picture of it we can take a

1517
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:55,719
picture of it still we'll just Photoshop in the rest like

1518
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:55,719
edel can do it or something

1519
01:49:56,040 --> 01:50:01,360
right oh my God you know usually when I

1520
01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:05,239
ask him if he can do something I have some idea that what I'm

1521
01:50:03,719 --> 01:50:09,880
asking him is really difficult but I pretend not to so that he'll try to

1522
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:14,159
appease me and help me with it because I think if he knew that I knew that it was

1523
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:17,199
near impossible he would be less likely to want to help me it looks like it

1524
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:24,360
might be fondant fondong perhaps sure why

1525
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:25,719
not wow that's weird yeah that's some

1526
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:30,360
creepy stuff wow I just dropped another piece in my lap that's pretty cool I'm

1527
01:50:28,679 --> 01:50:34,480
going to like a family thing after this is it also partially because you have no

1528
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:37,360
idea what he's doing just like how you assume certain programming things are

1529
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:42,119
super easy when they're actually super hard and you think other are super hard

1530
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:47,880
when they're actually super easy that could be that I know some

1531
01:50:45,719 --> 01:50:51,639
things no not about programming I don't know anything I was like what I mean I

1532
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:56,920
mean I know some things in general I don't know much about programming you

1533
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:56,920
definitely don't know much about

1534
01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:06,199
programing they're just talking about

1535
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:12,159
whatever lus you said you would

1536
01:51:14,719 --> 01:51:20,639
announce giveaways for the GTX 670 and

1537
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:23,560
the keyboard yeah that's the he already I already talked about

1538
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:35,560
that H apparently that's still on

1539
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:36,760
there okay well I guess I'll head out uh

1540
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:44,520
I guess I'll have to come back tonight to get that footage sweet we drive back out here

1541
01:51:42,440 --> 01:51:51,960
that sounds pretty good you have cake on your shirt I have cake on my ARM and on

1542
01:51:48,079 --> 01:51:51,960
my hands and on your face

1543
01:51:53,800 --> 01:52:00,520
I think we're done here do you need like a clo

1544
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:04,400
no can I borrow your shower yeah I'm going to operate the

1545
01:52:02,639 --> 01:52:10,079
mouse with my foot to turn off the stream why is this

1546
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:11,520
happening why is this a thing well you

1547
01:52:10,079 --> 01:52:15,280
know we had that conversation earlier where I was asking you know when people

1548
01:52:13,239 --> 01:52:18,320
are swapping boss stories do you you know tell stories about me so you're

1549
01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:23,280
trying to get I wanted to make sure you don't get one up it's called fond

1550
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:27,079
fondant yeah we marshmallows and flour and sugar marshmallows flour and sugar

1551
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:34,360
I've actually made it before I it's extremely sweet oh yeah like a lot of

1552
01:52:30,719 --> 01:52:34,360
sugar yeah it