welcome to the W show guys the oh we
apparently dropped a frame but then it doesn't detected up there so we're going
to go ahead and hope that everything's okay welcome to the W show guys the week
where you watch us talk about the technical difficulties that occurred
before the I don't know the show I've been off for like 3 weeks like no like
not vacation because I clearly haven't had a vacation like the marks under my
eyes and yours too for that matter uh but I mean like not not on like not
on fire we've got a great show for you guys today though so AMD mantle is
becoming a bigger and bigger deal pretty much by the day for those of you who
aren't familiar mantle is AMD's new API that seeks to well pretty much take the
place of direct deck and open well not take the place but
augment and by augment I mean don't use the other one use this new one it's
better um so we're going to have Ryan shroud on to talk about that actually
very shortly as soon as we can get in touch with them do you even have a username for him like did you send him
the login details no okay well let's send those over to him worst case
scenario I think I have him in my phone so I can call him just be like yo
talk you you good to go oh I
don't okay um so anyway let's we we'll
get that rolling as soon as we can and then uh the riaa and MPAA are
introducing a new ele well are trying to introduce a new Elementary School
curriculum that would have students in the United States learn about the
dangers of piracy so that's something
that they're lobbying for right now but hasn't necessarily been implemented yet
with teachers having some fairly reasonable objections to it fairly
reasonable next up we've got lsi's new
sandforce controller so for those of you who don't know LSI acquired sandforce
some time ago that will enable truly Next Generation SSD performance and
finally AMD news just keeps coming I mean good AMD news the 290 looks like it
can be flashed to a 290x and we're even seeing reports of these cards being
available pre flashed for people to just buy for cheaper which is extremely cool
so without further Ado it's intro time and I have no idea how loud it is so
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make sure that it actually you know managed to make it especially with all
the like awesomeness going on with YouTube lately and things just generally
not working yeah yeah it's it's pushing to subscriber feeds right now so they'll
start uh they'll start tuning in all right so uh I have no idea who's calling
me from Toronto but now's not the time oh that's definitely I know who that is
oh yeah I can't take that call right now so yeah I don't know you might want to
you might want to get in touch with someone related to that person to maybe
let them know that now's not a good time all right so let's what's up I don't
have my phone so nope yeah you do this right here oh I do see like a boss all
right so let's move on to our first topic here this is something that I
suspect uh slick here hasn't done too much reading up on because it is like
no don't worry you don't have to talk isn't it amazing it's kind of hilarious
okay guys we are actually going to we're going to try to watch this together I
hope that the volume's okay because this
thing is epic beyond all belief this is
ever Jane the virtual world of Jane Austin is a Kickstarter for an MMO that
I mean I'm not even going to I'm not even going to color my my words here I'm
just going to read from the site okay in
the virtual world of Jane Austin it is not about kill or be killed but invite
and be invited with gossip our weapon of
choice so we're just going to watch A Brief snippet of the video here together
if this is ever going to load because for some reason tethering is the slowest
thing ever on this phone compared to the H I got my one back today and I'm super
stoked to go back to it like all the
stoked to go back to it did you guess
did I what you bet okay sweet yeah don't worry we're we're on this we're like
okay well whatever we can't watch this video cuz it's just not going to load
because our Wi-Fi hotspot needs to just choke on a bag of uh uh dongers so
basically okay get this guys so ever Jane is a virtual world that allows
people to roleplay in Regency period England okay so our quests are derived
from players actions and stories and we gossip rather than swords and Magic to
demolish our enemies and Aid our friends so right now you can actually download a
prototype so the Prototype includes the gossip and invitation system so you can
use gossip and invitations to build your
own um you know reputation and when you
have a better reputation then presumably you can have if they reach some of their
stretch goals you could have like you know a um uh hold on you go fishing yeah
no no that's for the men not that I
mean okay in their defense in the world of Jane
Austin at that time that would have been a thing uh so hold on hold on uh oh oh
okay so iterate okay here okay we're going to go back to this all right so
iteration one is slothing system which
is part of Gossip so you can find out who's gossiping about you you can write
letters between characters iteration two gets dinner parties balls that's not the
only thing about this that'll be balls and travel between Villages carriages
and horses and iteration three adds hunting and sewing and upgrades gossip
to use language parsing so there's card games and okay so stretch goals you can
get estate planning with a $200,000 stretch goal um you can get Landscaping
with a $250,000 stretch goal so they're going to add Landscaping to to the uh
whatever this is and farming Yeah so basically I mean you
know what I I don't know what to say
about this that won't offend someone
I think girl gamers deserve better I think that this is like trying to appeal
to the most stereotypical girl gamer
because you know what the Sims which is a notoriously you know cross-gendered
not to say cross-gendered but um appealing to both genders game because
it's role playing and you can it's it's it's light it's simulation okay this is
not simulation this is like um this is
like taking all the things that I think and like and if if it wasn't a female
like like if it wasn't a female coming up with the idea I would have looked at
this as like uh a cynical man trying to
build a game for girls I think if they made bully
but like more mild not like not like
actually bully they made W what's the name of that show I don't watch TV so
it's kind of a problem um
Bad Girls Mean Girls Mean Girls yeah there we go
mean girls if they made bully but like Mean Girls I think that could maybe work
that could maybe work I think guys would play that I think everyone would play that see like that kind of makes more
sense this is I think too mild and I think she's going after Jane Austin
stories which while they were super popular for a long time before and are I
think probably still hard to read man they're hard to read I don't read I've
read a couple I've read uh I've read um I've heard they're good I just don't
read them I read Emma I read prej both
of those are supposed to be really good I read Pride and Prejudice and Zombies as well which was
better so I think I bought my mom Pride and Prejudice yeah so okay you know a
great comment in the twitch chat there's no such thing as a girl gamer there's
just Gamers and some of them happen to be girls and this is targeted towards a
thing that doesn't exist a girl gamer who's like every negative stereotype
about you know what gaming girls would do so there that's what that's what I
don't like about that Kickstarter project it's not going to get funded by the look of things so I don't have to
worry about it too much but what I am planning to do sometime in the next
little while as I will be downloading the demo and I'll be trying it out
because maybe I'm wrong maybe I come back to the W show next week and I'm
like yep I was wrong I was wrong and they were right and it's amazing I'll
just shoot myself yeah speaking of things that I was wrong about something
that we both failed to mention last week when we were talking about PS Vita and
Playstation 4 streaming speaking of which I ordered what you got what's that
what is it
C
what I think Curtis Chris Chris yeah
okay I think I think I know which Chris this is um okay so we just got a cake um
I don't know how people are even doing this this but um I know
how it's got chocolate on it and like I
I don't know I don't know how a cake in the shape of a knock to a fan was
obtained but I have to admire the uh the
uh I don't know whatever it is that it
took to come up with this particular idea they can't stop laughing okay it's
like ghost and ixie and foxhound and mape and windspeed and all those guys it
probably ended up being um just guessing
it was probably wher who actually put the order in you know what's funny is I
actually just started playing Portal 2 last night so so I'm having like like like it
is a lie because it's not actually a fan I know the cake is a
lot uh it seems like something that should be cold do you mind uh putting it
in I guess freezer or fridge isce I
don't know maybe someone can tell us what whether it goes in the freezer or
the fridge so apparently it was a whole bunch of mods um and a whole bunch of
the mods friends well thank you very much guys that is uh that is very very
cool of you that's actually pretty epic that's hilarious what a what a wow
moment that is um oh I think Ryan's here okay all
right so we'll bring Ryan on right away after this but okay so something both he
and I failed to mention last week when we were talking about PSV stream as well
as NVIDIA Shield streaming is that Sony
had Remote Play Back in 2005 2006 and it
was a feature that allowed you to stream your gameplay to a device of your choice
in fact it was way more versatile than NVIDIA's solution because it allowed you
to stream to phones and PCs and you could stream your PSP games from your
PSP to your PS3 and play them there so this was posted by Tom Lambert 01 on the
Forum so thank you Tom for the correction we genuinely do appreciate it
uh this is something that because I wasn't a PS3 gamer never really paid any
attention to any of it I was actually completely not aware of so there you go
thank you for bringing that to our attention all right next up we've got uh
actually are we ready to have Ryan join us I can't am i g to have audio if I put
these on you should because I can't hear a thing in one second all right okay so
I'll move on to something else in the meantime then nope they're not talking
let's talk about the oh they are talking okay so we can hear those guys but we
can't hear Ryan yet we can hear who uh I just oh wow hey there it is okay
excellent that's most good most good all
right so is this uh listening to anything yet or no I believe that is
listening to Ryan so I think they can hear Ryan there we go whoa Hi how are
you Ryan good all right so uh tell me how
was the AMD show last week you know what the Apu 13 event had
had surprisingly more news than I expected to see
from it kind of didn't really know what to expect going into it but they talked
about uh you know Cav Apu and um what
are the other ones Bea and Mullins then they talked about mantle and they they
had some good content there actually okay so let's start with uh
let's start with let's start with mantle um what is what was your initial take
when we first heard about it at GPU 13 versus hearing about it
now you know I I don't think a whole Bunch has changed yet right so the when
we first heard about it it was Battlefield 4 only uh although that's a
pretty big deal and then we heard it was going to be frostbite engine and now
they actually showed two different developers in addition to dice that are
integrating mantle and they actually
showed performance metrics of some kind not the kind that we're used to seeing
like frame rates and stuff but uh looking at what do we call it draw calls
per second um where there used to be batch levels of 3,000 to 5,000 and now
this developer was showing a real-time strategy game that was running like a
100,000 batch calls and that doesn't
directly translate to Performance but it
it means that there's one less bottleneck holding them back from
improving performance in other ways let's try to explain to the viewers for
a moment like what something like uh like draw calls means to Performance
compared to the I mean I guess the numbers that we're typically used to
seeing like Tera flops or pixel fill rates or numbers like that so A draw
call is like the the setup process of
the game engine right so the processor has to the not the GPU the actual Intel
or AMD CPU has to organize a bunch of
draw calls it says what is the game engine actually asking me to do what's
it what does it want to draw what does it want to see and it compiles these
into groups called batches and this kind
of batching process has been a limiting factor for gain developers in certain
ways uh at this event you know we heard developers talk about that it was for
years and years been a you never cross
that three to 5,000 draw calls per
batch uh level and it was just something that was assumed throughout the industry
and what that did was it kind of limited
how creative they could be with designs
of characters polygon counts Shader counts that kind of thing and if you can
expand that up which mantle does it it limits it gets rid of the API overhead
and it allows these developers to kind of directly code to the processor in a
much more efficient manner then by having these additional batch call
capabilities they have the ability to improve visual uh just visuals or
performance one way or the other now one of the thing one of the ways Chris
Roberts explained it to me so
um that's uh that's Chris Roberts from cloud Imperium game so the the maker of
Star Citizen one of the ways he explained it to me was that you can use
the processing power of the graphics card to say for example draw some rock
and then if you can have uh you know an order of magnitude more draw calls you
can take those same resources and you can replicate that rock all over the
place in order to make for a more varied um exciting looking environment is that
the main benefit I guess of having more draw calls
I I'd say that's one of the primary benefits of it for sure it's
um it basically opens up the pallet for
these designers and these coders to do things they couldn't do
before we when we talk about benchmarks and performance we're used to
bottlenecks like frame rates or how many
threads are being actually utilized on a processor but for the most part we don't
really know what is the processor really doing most of the time and this setup is
part of that so imp implementing mantle
gives developers the capability to be more
creative and Institute things like duplicate or Not Duplicate but uh being
more creative and offering up more options to increase poly counts or
increase character counts and you know increased resolution or granularity of
uh surroundings and stuff like that so it's it's more about enabling artists to
be more openly creative and game
developers to not have as many restrictions as they used to have I I
don't think when the Battlefield 4 version of Manel comes out that it's
going to be 100% faster I think it's realistically going to be somewhere
between like 10 and 15% faster than the
standard dx11 version so it's it's just a matter of every time you remove a
bottleneck something else crops up so it's but it's it's like a constant
battle that Hardware developers and Driver developers have to worry about
finding now speaking of uh you talked about the what the we don't really know
what the processor is doing doing a little while back there um one of I
think the most impressive demos that AMD showed off at their event was
downclocking an fx8350 to 2 GHz so for
for those of you who don't know what they're normally clocked at um that's
that's like damn near 60% of its normal
clock speed and then they showed that a Radeon R9 290x was still GPU Bound in
the in the game that they were showing off as opposed to being CPU Bound in
spite of the fact they had turned down the single-threaded performance of their
CPU so dramatically um is this just is
this just better optimization in general I mean we've already seen that Frostbite
3 uh whether you're running mantle obviously we're not running mantle yet
but whether you're running mantle or not is able to make pretty good use of
multiple cores so is this just a general optimization thing or is mantle really
going to pave the way for us to not need very powerful processors
anymore I think it's going to help right and that's keep in mind where what from
what position AMD is coming at right they have the lower performance
processors in this battle against Intel so anytime they can say push off that
bottleneck to the GPU instead of the CPU that's a big Advantage for them uh but I
do believe that and I think most people that are PC Gamers will realize that you
don't have to have a core i7 4960x to play
games you would much rather spend that no hold on hold on Ryan hold on just a
minute I think that uh when I when I got
uh when I got far cry I think it was
there's a thing that pops up and it's like plays best on core2 Duo extreme so
I'm pretty sure you need an extreme addition to play games I mean that's been true for years now well I hope you
didn't upgrade away from the core2 duo because then your performance would probably go down right I get such a kick
out of that when they do uh when Intel used to do that branding of a specific
product right in front of a game it's like guys that's that's relevant for
like 18 months
maybe sorry go go ahead yes you don't need an extreme addition to play
games yeah I mean you don't you don't need it and you
can game on a on a quad core Apu as long
as you have a discreet graphics card and you're still going to get really good PC
gaming performance and I think mantle is
is a really interesting you know step down that
pathway of integrating things differently I'm still not sold on it uh
being kind of This Global success that AMD wants us to believe it is you know
we we've seen several developers integrated it now um we've also seen
several developers integrate how long term that'll be so say again I said
we've also seen several developers integrate
physx right right and and it doesn't
necessarily mean that the long-term viability of that technology is is is
solid Okay so I mean what else really
stood out to you about the event maybe talk about cavar because you you
mentioned just a second ago there um a quadcore apu's fine for gaming as long
as you still have a discret GPU do you think that's still the case with
cavar yeah I I really do uh there are
there are use cases where even today Richland or Trinity is going to be okay
for 10p gaming at lower low to medium
settings and canar improves that prob probably 4050 % I mean we showed um a
video where they had the cavar demo system running Battlefield 4 at 1080p at
medium quality settings so that's that's impressive
technologically like I've been doing this for a long time and to see that
this Flagship high-end PC gaming title
looks really good first of all Battlefield 4 looks really good at
medium quality settings so an advantage that am has with the demo right off the
bat uh but they're running it off of an APU that's drawn I don't know 100 Watts
120 watts or something like that that's pretty impressive but the people that
listen to your show the people that listen to our show and and and they they
want better than that right and you can get better than that for not a whole lot
of money so yeah I I think they're going down you know they're they're
progressing down the right path this was always the plan even though the the kind
of dark secret secret that came out during the show was that this
performance is actually lower than what they had said was going to the
performance of cavar a year ago right right they had to lower clocks on the
CPU and GPU right okay um can you wait
what just happened oh
okay okay um Luke can you actually mute Ryan for a second or Ryan can you turn
on push to talk because we're getting some feedback from your mic whenever you're not talking I think it's trying
to I think it's trying to I can I can use I've got a foot pedal for mute I can
do that Wicked okay thanks man um okay
so the thing that I wanted to talk about is I think I think the real issue with
with the apus and the strategy that AMD has here is they're trying to do what
Intel's doing where they're positioning their apus as as a premium sort of as a
price premium when they first introduce them they're they're trying to ask for
more money for them then I think then rather than just bringing them to Market
at what I really think is a is a fair price so an example of this is something
like Richland where their top tier Apu
the uh 6800k I guess it is is like
$140 and then you can get something that offers pretty near the same performance
that isn't fm2 Plus or whatever so something like an A8
5600k for $40 less which when we're
talking about1 or $140 CPUs is a very
very significant difference with that
$40 I I I think that the the difference
in slightly better CPU performance and then maybe I mean when they they introduce cavar dramatically better GPU
performance is not going to be justified
by the performance that's there so you're going to have to invest in a more
expensive CPU AMD is going to want a premium from you for the latest technology you're going to need a more
expensive motherboard because once again the motherboard manufacturers are first
coming to market with the premium chipsets for what to me really is a very
entry-level platform so by the time you
do the CPU and motherboard cost comparisons again a last generation Apu
you're probably spending another $60 to $70 now $60 to $70 is an awful long way
towards a pretty decent dedicated graphics card we did a console killer
type build for our image quality comparison where we gave ourselves a
$450 budget so smack dab in between the price of the two nextg consoles and uh
what we ended up with was a 5600k so we found the cheapest quad core Apu we
could we grabbed a 7770 then we went
with a cheapo hard drive Cheapo case you know basically doorstop power supply but
at least like it's an ntech basic or something I think so it's nothing
special but it's also not going to explode immediately and we were able to
achieve similar image quality in Battlefield 4 as what we could get with
a PS4 or an Xbox One and obviously much more functionality and that wouldn't be
possible with cavar did you include an operating
system in that build price uh 550 with OS so 4 50 Hardware 550 OS cuz we we we
did a similar thing and and it was disheartening to see 20% of your system
build pricee be relegated to uh a copy of Windows 8 or whatever hey demos but
it's coming yeah yeah it can't come soon enough the the but the your point is is
is pretty pretty valid right the when cavar comes out it's going to be a
little bit more expensive than Richland uh is it going to be justified
it all it all depends on on the consumer I don't think somebody who is a gamer is
going to want this part but if you're somebody that is building a PC for
another purpose a home theater PC or a small form factor build that maybe you
already have your main rig upstairs and you want to have something small and modest downstairs or in you know at a at
a at your office or something it will be able to do some of that stuff and that's
kind of what AMD is leaning on uh for their advantages over what they can with
Intel because they do not have they're a severe disadvantage on the processor
Side Y so they've got to push this GPU side and and to be completely honest
they they may not have that lead on the GPU side for very long in terms of the
integrated processors because Intel is
continuing continuing to increase their GPU performance on these uh integrated
processors these processor Graphics I guess as Intel calls them and they they
I think it'll still be a little while before they catch up but they still an
and it's weird process node aside
inteleg or Intel relegates so relegates
oh man dude I'm tired Intel allocates so
little of the die size I mean when you when you look when you look at the
actual D photographs so little of it is the actual CPU that even if you factor
out their process node Advantage AMD to
achieve worse performance and worse power consumption is
is is spending an awful lot more die area on the CPU so Intel's going to have
this Advantage where just in terms of the sheer amount in in terms of the
sheer die size they're going to be able to allocate a ton more space to a GPU
just to make up for whatever advantages AMD might have in terms of their
experience building gpus um and I I think that's going to continue to help
Intel close the gap as they get more experienced that's the point that I'm
laboriously trying to get to here
well Intel has this huge Advantage with its manufacturing right so they'll
they're they're trying to utilize that manufacturing advantage to go after the
ARM market and they're also going to try to use some of that on uh to to make up
for these Graphics deficits that they've traditionally had um it's it'll be
interesting to see this coming generation like the end of 2014 Intel
does versus what AMD does because Intel has slowly been increasing the
percentage of the die that they use for graphics y Intel is probably in the 40%
range with Haswell I think um and AMD is
just over 50% with Cav and it's a better
50% right the the the units that AMD has built are better and more efficient than
what Intel has built but that will eventually change and if you're running
at 22 nanometer or 14 nanometer next
year you have a little bit more flexibility about how much die space you
can just create for those parts so it'll be it'll be interesting and integated
space in 2014 to be sure especially because there's no pressure on Intel to
increase IPC on the CPU side so if they can go okay we're going to shrink to 14
nanometer we're going to do pretty much nothing other than optimize for power on
the CPU side we're going to allocate all that extra die space to GPU and it's Off
to the Races yeah I mean that's and that that's
unfortunately been the case for Intel for several years about not really
pushing forward on the CPU space you know it's they after the pennium 4
disaster they slowly built back up so that they were the dominant uh the
dominant CPU vendor over Athlon and and Phenom and all that and when AMD could
no longer compete they just kind of said H okay we're good where we're at you
know we get those sporadic updates like the Sandy Bridge e And The Ivy Bridge e
and you know they can pack 10 or 12 cores onto a Zeon but they're not really
changing anything drastically like they hope to do on the graphic side
yeah that's uh that's extremely frustrating I think for enthusiasts
everywhere so we've got a couple other topics here that we could uh guys if you
have any questions for Ryan go ahead and hit us up on Twitter at Linus and uh
we'll do we'll do a Twitter Blitz with him at some point here but I'd like to
get your take on lsi's upcoming sandforce FF SF 3700
controller I had not looked at that yet
okay forget about it then let's let's move on do all of our storage stuff so
don't don't don't worry about it I'll hit you with something that's a little bit uh ah yes okay you can buy pre
flashed Radeon R9 290s that have been
flashed with 290x bioses what is your take on all of this and how cannibalized
has AMD made their own high-end lineup I
mean we have so far we haven't found an
X card with a non-x equivalent that makes any sense to buy
bu yeah the 290x is is increasingly becoming a more and
more kind of derelict part in in the uh
in the PC market right when it launched everybody loved it it was this super
high performance card it was less expensive than the GTX
780 and the Titan and then then NVIDIA
dropped its prices I think further than AMD expected they released AMD releases
the 290 undercutting their own part by a huge margin even though performan is
very close and you can like overclock it
a little bit more and you're going to go well beyond that and you're going to save what is it
$150 yeah it's a significant that's pretty big
makx weird now have you guys played
around with how 290 and 290x for that matter perform when you are able to keep
thermals under control I haven't used anything except
the reference coolers on that but I have I have run reference coolers let's say
at higher fan speeds than should be loud on your ears um and and it does it does
well it does well but like uh I mean the most you know the most recent issue that
we were had is we had in a couple of the 290x retail cards and we were comparing
how that compared to the the reference cards that that I got and I think that
you got as well and uh that's that was the big issue that they had in cranking
up the fan speeds a little bit to making sure that everything was consistent was
kind of an odd move as well the one thing that's weird about the 290
compared to the 290x is that the 290 is
louder it's default State than the 290x it's it's got less it's got fewer
Shader units but they run them at a
lower speed but at a higher fan speed so it's running at its top clocks more
consistently it's a really odd kind of balancing move they've did they've done
to kind of push themselves out of a market that they were doing very well in
it I know 290x was competitive from the
start I mean did they I I don't know it was honestly it wasn't as confusing
quite to me as 270 was because 270 I
didn't even know about so at GPU 13 they
didn't talk about it at all unless you were in a secret briefing room where you
have to have lasers coming out of your eyes to be in that one did you know about
270 uh no not until I got an email that
said hey there's one on their way to you and I and it was as I was kind of getting
ready to leave for the Apu 13 event and I said well I'm not going to be able to
get this tested and stuff before I leave for this event so how you know give me a
little bit of background on it and they said oh wasen to the slide deck and
usually if they're not real eager to brag about what the product is that
there's usually something you need to be uh to pay attention to and I got the
specs and I looked at it and I almost emailed them back I said no no no no you
sent me the 270x specs so what did you
what did you really mean to send me and I started looking at it I was like wow there's like no difference here and then
there's a $20 MSRP difference you want
to talk about congesting the market
you're supposed to do that against your competition not really against your own
gpus yeah R2 r270 video I think the the
thumbnail was something like why does this
exist it's like they might as well have just price dropped 27x and not bothered
to you know come up with another skew mind you from from okay if you're going
to look at the from a from an AMD perspective they've sure gotten a lot of
Impressions without actually paying for advertising by doing so many GPU
launches here yeah you know AMD did this with the
7,000 series I don't know remember if they did with the 6000 series with the
7,000 series I remember being equally annoyed with uh here's the 7970 and now
the 7950 and now the 7870 and then the 7850 and so it's like every 10 days
there em graphics for the G Edition right right right I mean there
was it was just just you know do a few
of them together I thought they would do better this time they did the 280 270
and 260 kind of as a as a bundle uh but
I think they more did that because it was a Rebrand and selling each of those
individually as new products 10 days separated would probably be even more of
a headache for him but uh yeah I mean it's
definitely you know that's one way that these these vendors kind of create
interest and excitement for their product is if we just tweak this one
thing everybody kind of has to talk about it again whereas if the product is
just sitting on the shelf and we've already done our reviews and their board
partners aren't coming out with something really exciting to get us to write it about it again they start to
suffer so I don't think they I mean it's so quick I don't think they did it for
here for this but something to keep an eye out for all right now we get asked
this a lot I know it's sort of a terrible question but I'm going to ask
it to you anyway if you had to pick So based on
what you are projecting with respect to mantle I mean if you're ter question I
know okay if you had to but but the reality of it is it doesn't matter the
reality of it is unless to make this decision unless you're someone like you
or me or Ryan who gets to pick whatever damn graphics card they want and put it
in their system and they can swap them at a moment's notice Ryan right now what do you think
is a more compelling technology mantle or g-sync because those are really the
the the big new things from both
camps um I know I know it's a terrible
question I'm sorry to do it to it's gsync I
mean it's it's g-sync but I'll I'll so
I'll say this the g-sync is the most
interesting technology for me in gaming kind of period right now but I'm not
really super excited about it in its current state right on a 1080p TN panel
H it's it's it's much better but I would love to see it on a IPS 1080P or if
you're going to keep me on TN put me on a 25 by14 panel 4K is a little bit of a
stretch still but um people people like
us that have been you know kind of feeding the Enthusiast base about hey
you need to upgrade to this 2560 X 1440 monitor because that is the next thing
or look at this 4K stuff you know we did some 4K demos and this is really
expensive but if you want to look at what it's going to be like in a year or two years this is awesome now to kind of
be pulled back into hey check out this great technology on 1080p only right now
it's a little bit it's a little bit disheartening for that but for mantle
it's such kind of it's It's So Far Away it feels so far away even though
Battlefield 4 is supposed to be out this year yeah with the m support it just
yeah the benefits of it feel so indirect
or kind of I don't know wishy-washy like I'm not exactly sure what I'm getting
with it whereas with g-sync I I know and
you know exactly what you're getting with it because you got to see it in person and that's something that people
listening don't have the advantage of here's the thing about mantle and uh I
mean with battle Battlefield 4 specifically what what Luke and I
actually noticed because we were we were capturing footage from Battlefield 4 and
Assassin's Creed 4 was that Battlefield 4 really doesn't have an issue with
tearing in the same way that some other games do so for example Assassin's Creed
4 becomes a tearing disgusting mess as
soon as you in certain areas yeah as soon as you Pan the camera in certain
areas and it's it's just it's like it's unplayable it's at 60 FPS but who cares
cuz it looks awful I I tried it in other areas though it's like very specifically
in certain areas so on the other hand Battlefield 4 we didn't really have an
issue with it so I look at that and I go okay well yeah if you throw another 10
even or 20% or even up to you know 40%
performance at it that's great with that said Battlefield 4 is also extremely
well optimized and we're able to run into high detail settings even on low-end Hardware so so that's a thing as
well so mantle to me is such a mixed bag
because there's going to be engines where even with mantle implemented you're still going to have tearing and
lagginess all over the place whereas
with gsync maybe you don't get the FPS
that you do with mantle but man does it ever look smoother you know I I see some
people in the in the chat commenting like GNC would be great for mid-range
but not for the highend or does gsync even matter with 144 Hertz monitors and
I it they're they're fundamentally kind of missing the point of what gsync does
right so it's not a replacement I mean it's a replacement for vsync completely
on or off and so even for an argument
that I see on our comment threads a lot is well if you have like a GTX 780 it
doesn't even matter if you have gsync right and it's not if you have a monitor
limited to 60 HZ but if you have like the ASUS panel that was demoed on it
will run at 144 Herz well now you can run anywhere from 30 to 144 frames per
second without any visual tearing and
you don't lose any graph any graphical Fidelity you can turn things up a whole
bunch whereas you know before you would have to worry about well if this one
scene or this one part of this mult multiplayer map draws my frame rate
below 120 120 hertz to 60
HZ now you don't have to worry about that right and so you know at the NVIDIA
event we don't have to get into it again those developers you know carac who
doesn't really work at it anymore but carac and Anderson and Sweeney kind of
got up there and said this is perfect for us because it it prevents us from
worrying about these really specific edge cases and I think that mean that
should mean a lot to Gamers even if it doesn't yet like they don't understand
it until they see it yeah that's uh it's
one of those things where I think a lot of the new technologies coming are going
to suffer from the same problem whether it's g-sync or Oculus um or uh uh motion
inputs uh even I mean even something like the new connect from from Microsoft
with the new Xbox One where they can show people using it and we're going to
see that same stupid commercial that we've been watching since the Nintendo
Wii launched of families having fun and dancing around in front of their TVs but
beyond that how do you actually get people to understand these Technologies
unless you can put them put it on their head or put it in front of their face
it's tough like 3D was the first time that that really came to you know to the
Forefront for me was like you can't show off 3D Vision and how cool it looks or
how cool it doesn't look over video or
on text or you know me sitting here talking to people watching a live stream
right you gota you got to go see it in person and g-sync is the same way yeah
you know we had Tom Peterson out here doing a video with us and we had two of
those g-sync monitors and we for like
four hours in the middle of the night tried to figure out a way to show video
of these panels that actually made them look good instead of bad things like a
60z capture camera can't show what it
does we need is like a variable we need
we well we need a capture card with a g-sync module in order to show it I mean
I how much would I love it what if you had one of those how much would I love
it if NVIDIA produced to go along with
their whole uh FCAT initiative if NVIDIA
produced a capture card that helped us
benchmark cat H that's an interesting
thought or what if a capture card vendor
that was kind of already working on DisplayPort stuff started to integrate
some of these things so that we could capture variable frame rate technology
that's an interesting thought lus wouldn't that be cool then then people
could actually sit and watch it and understand the difference well no it
still wouldn't help them right because we could make variable frame rate videos
and then what do they play it back on hold on a second unless they could just
a sec we could at least show the tearing
being eliminated so if nothing else we
could at least capture tearing versus non- tearing how do how do you display a
42 frames per second section of a video on a 60 HZ refresh prate
panel yeah it's tough like it's got to
be end to end right so you could you could have a you could record it and
capture it you could measure performance on it and then I could present fancy
graphs to you yes but unless you have a variable refresh monitor on your desk
that also has a variable refresh capable video player to read these files then
it's not going to work you know I had thought about it as far as hey this
would be a great tool for us because the way that capture cards are implemented
now is expensive and not even going to be useful for much longer because uh
g-sync is going to completely turn everything on its head in terms of how
you can actually capture an output from a graphics card um and then I hadn't
actually gone as far as you know okay could we use it to to present it to
other people but no you're absolutely right it wouldn't work at all so keep in
mind that the the the capture based
stuff or even fraps or whatever method you use even though if you turn vsync
off and measure performance that way you'll still see the performance that
you would see on a g-sync monitor so if
I'm running 122 frames per second or
something like that and I'm on a if I had gsync monitor that can capture that
or present that rather then I will see 122 frames per second in that instance
so you know you you'll still be able to measure performance with you know either
FCAT capture fraps and but you won't be
able to show the kind of experience you get on these different panels so it's
NVIDIA has a has a tough job ahead of them to you know go go to any gaming
show any land party and I bet you they'll have two dozen g-sync monitors
sitting there for people to walk up and try and and and and try to get the word
out about it even then it's a drop in the bucket I mean you look at how NVIDIA
has marketed something like Shield uh we have a new intern here that uh we were
we were covering the MGA power are you familiar with MGA power uh I don't think
I am okay so they're little Bluetooth controllers that have a mount on them
that's actually quite quite ingenious so that you can put your phone on it and
you can use it to play games and then it also has a power bank in it so you can
power your phone at the same time to extend your battery life so it's like uh
it's like Shield light and then when you factor that in with that someone has uh
someone has got NVIDIA game stream working with a custom uh with a custom
Android hack um it's it's actually it's
kind of compelling okay so he we were
talking about it and I was talking about like sort of the quality of the
controller and the you know the overall experience and I showed him an NVIDIA
shield and he's like oh wait I can do what with that thing oh that's cool I
mean he's a mainstream guy and NVIDIA hasn't figured out that they have to
actually spend money on actually
reaching more people than the 200 people who are at any given land party because
it's just I mean the amount of money it cost them to do something in a land
party versus if they set up a kiosk I don't know in a frakin mall or something
is is just they're reaching the wrong people they're reaching the people who
are actually likely to be watching this show listening to you and me talk about
how amazing it is and probably at least have some ankling of how great it is
whereas they need to reach the mainstream people and they just don't get it I agree I agree it's
tough yeah I guess that was pretty much all there is to say about that um so
let's move on to some Twitter questions here Brad culio asks is g-sync only
NVIDIA and I guess an extension of this is is mantle only
AMD yes and yes I guess for now for now
so g-sync was invented by NVIDIA they have patents on it and the module that
gets installed in these monitors is built by NVIDIA currently so um they
said some fancy words like hey we'll we'll consider the licensing model but
if you know NVIDIA no it's not going to happen they're not going to allow this
to work with AMD graphics cards if AMD wants a g-sync like technology they're
going to have to work on one on their own or partner with uh monitor vendors
mantle on the other hand AMD or AMD in
the past has a more open approach to their Technologies usually because to be
quite fair about it they don't have as they don't invest as much resource
financially or personnel-wise to invent these Technologies like NVIDIA does and
they kind of hope that the community and uh the industry kind of comes to these
standards you can look at physics acceleration you at 3D implementations
on monitors and and and I think they'll try to do the same thing with gsync but
mantle could be supported by NVIDIA but
think more for Pride issues than anything else that NVIDIA will likely
not implement it I mean uh you know just based on the story history between those
two companies that was my next question is is there any is there any possibility
in your mind that NVIDIA will adopt
mantle no I would say the the best case
scenario is Microsoft pays attention
gets off his ass and fixes directex to
to be more mantle like and they create
like a new API that is maybe maybe it's backed by Kronos instead of uh Microsoft
and now both of them will support that but it's maybe maybe as a wink wink
nudge nudge as it's it's actually just mantle but now it's renamed it's not an
AMD technology that seems much much more
likely that's a possibility I had not actually considered very uh very
interesting good point all right our next question is um when do you think
ddr4 is coming and what are your thoughts on
ddr4 uh ddr4 will be in the next
Enterprise platform I guess uh what are
it Haswell E I think will have ddr4 you know I've been through a lot of
these DDR transitions I don't expect a whole lot um the CPUs don't take
advantage of memory bandwidth improvements like gpus do and
especially it's happened every instance DDR when it launched was slower than the
top end SD RAM ddr2 was slower than DDR
DDR3 was slower than ddr2 and I expect
ddr4 will be slower than the top end DDR3 memory when it launches so it will
take a little while for it to kind of catch on and adopt but I don't it's not
going to solve any major bandwidth issues that the uh the processor has
maybe to improve integrated graphics performance right so that would be a big
plus yep I mean I guess the uh the the
the three things guys are higher latencies higher bandwidth lower power
consumption yay oh higher frequencies so four
things so it's more of the
same uh okay think uh that already does
exist just got an SSD for my system best upgrade yet yes you're absolutely right
Liam it absolutely is uh here's here's an interesting question why don't we
make this our last one here Travis asks what is in your personal rig
Ryan okay so that's an interesting question um because I have I guess I
have two right so I've got the one at the office that I would say I spend the
most time on but I do the least gaming
on um my system at home that was was the
primary gaming PC for a while was it's a uh
3770k with probably 16 gigs of RAM in it I don't remember which one it is now and
it had a GTX 580 in it so it's not even
that new but people always give me crap
for this cuz I don't like my my my primary PC you know what I do on it I
write articles and make graphs uh the
benefit of doing what I do is that literally as I sit here talking to you I
can look at three computers that have uh an r9290 a GTX 780 and a 780 Ti in it
and I can just go to any of those anytime I want a game and thanks to Cloud saves it all kind of works
magically yeah um but that's that's kind
of my copout answer I guess fair enough all right well thank
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Stream So what's our next
topic welcome back I was totally reading
something else let's go with the videogamer.com article about the
Assassin's Creed producer saying that PC
optimization quote unquote oh hey I'm reted to the phone I think the problem
was I wasn't thing I'm sorry yeah I read the whole thing okay um okay
so update Ubisoft has provided clarification on the comments made so
the original allegation was that a Ubisoft staffer basically up and said
nope the game's just not real optimized for PC and we don't care but but that
was not actually what they meant what they meant is that in the development
process they use the PC as an experimental platform to test things so
so they don't they don't test the performance immediately they test all the Technologies immediately and test
the performance later so if we add a bajillion particles every time a Canon
fires let's like let's try that and then if it doesn't perform well enough okay
we'll just throw a couple more graphics cards in there let's see what it looks like when it's rendered in real time so
they use the PC to experiment and then they optimize down from there which is a
100% acceptable way to use the PC as a gaming platform so once again The Gaming
Community takes something out of context and blows it out proportion um on the
other hand I mean compared to you know how it looks on the consoles our lower
end PC really didn't run Assassin Creed 4 that well so compared to Battlefield 4
where we were able to achieve similar image quality with an entry-level PC and
the and the two consoles I I would make the argument that Assassin's Creed 4 is
not as well PC optimized so there's also
that yeah and and throwing that up there a little bit off topic from that um is
that if you read the wording of the original report it does kind of sound
like that because he doesn't really specify at which time yep so it like it
could be how the question was phrased or whatever but you do have a point but at
the same time like we couldn't make it look better or perform better but it's
not that much worse either no it's not that much worse but we'll let you guys
be the judge of that because we'll be uploading the footage later on so here
was an article posted on the Forum by E chondo this the original article is from
The Verge it's extremely long though so uh ich chondo conveniently gave us the
highlight so basically the copyright Lobby has been asking
for a curriculum to be added in California to teach elementary schoolers
the value of copyright and dangers of piracy it's called be a Creator respect
the person give credit it's great to create and copyright matters teachers
are instructed to tell the class you're not old enough yet to be selling your
pictures online but pretty soon you will be and you'll appreciate if the rest of
us respect your work by not copying it and doing whatever we want with it
the committee presented the curriculum in September for pilot testing in the
current school year but as you might expect teachers associations are skeptical saying the modern curriculum
is already full to bursting without the addition of copyright
awareness couldn't have put it better myself don't copy that floppy yeah don't
copy that floppy this video is amazing and uh conveniently it has been
downloaded and then re-uploaded to YouTube so we can all enjoy
it so guys if you haven't seen don't copy that floppy you should probably
check it out I didn't realized when I first clicked on it I hadn't seen it before that it's over 9 minutes long
yeah and it's like this terrible '90s rap no it's great it's terrible it's
great it's terrible you don't understand the '90s if you think it's terrible no no I no I mean I know that I know that
it's awesome but it's terrible but it's awesome it's hard to watch it's awesome
whatever um moving on to our next topic
also related to the
MPAA so here's another one security
at theat so the npaa wants Advanced anti-piracy measures at movie theaters
like night vision goggles movie theaters aren't already making not enough money
yeah so so they so there they should be equipping their staff with night vision
goggles so they have updated their anti-piracy guidelines for movie
theaters to basically um do a couple of things so number one is they're offering
a $500 bounty to movie theater employees
who are able to catch people pirating which honestly like if if oh man I guess
the person would have to be taken into custody so there'd be no incentive for
people to like team up make it like a and like try to collect $500 bounties
what if you got someone that was underage though yeah oh I wonder so you
get like get all your siblings and like catch them all copying movies and like
cuz if they're underage they can't go to jail anyway it won't stay on their
record so there's that um some pre-release screenings and premieres
have employees often equipped with night vision goggles and instructed to closely
monitor movie goers in some cases members of the public are as has to hand
over all recording capable devices including phones and Candy not that
candy can record but just because you might be able to like conceal a camera
within a bag of candy I suppose I mean or or because they're trying to sell it
in the concessions my biggest thing is that they can search you yeah so they
can search you now um which is like what
prohibiting the use of equipment that can record audio video or even take
photographs I mean how extreme is this does anyone actually watch
cams like okay seriously I actually
never have okay shyness shyness okay out
to all you viewers guys hit us up on Twitch chat or tweet us with this do you
okay you don't have to admit you're a pirate okay but what you can say is I
would watch a cam some you've probably encountered a cam you know rip at some
point or another they're terrible they're just terrible like I I was I was
somewhere someone was watching a cam not that long ago and within about 5 seconds
I was like this is unwatch why why would you even watch the movie like this I'll
wait like I'll wait and I'll watch it in a like just I can't watch it in the
theater because it's like $ each and I
have a baby and it's hard to get out doesn't mean that I'm going to watch it
like this yeah and like I'm usually only
going to watch a movie Once usually there are some movies that I've watched
like Serenity I've watched 10 bajillion times Firefly I've watched 10 bajillion
times but I'm usually only going to watch something once so if I'm going to watch it I'm not going to watch a caming
I'll just wait and watch it later cuz it's going to be way better in way sound
too oh my God sound on cams is terrible
practically worthless terrible someone says uh some something
about cam girls okay that makes sense okay well that a cam would be would be
more appropriate because I'm not expecting the Blu-ray of like you know
um Angie flirts a lot or whatever her name would be on the other end of a cam
show to I think we've gotten derailed a little bit here um
okay so it seems like yeah it seems like there's a fair bit of yeah well I'll
I'll wait for Blu-ray or I'll or I'll rent or I'll wait for Netflix or some
kind of reasonable quality that isn't
terrible I mean to me honestly the video quality isn't even a big deal uh to me
the one that bothers me is the sound quality the audio is always terrible if I just can't hear a bloody thing
anyone's saying then what's the point yeah all right so let's talk about the
topic that uh unfortunately I would have I thought you and Ryan Ryan's going to
have some interesting thoughts on this once he once he looks into it but this
is actually fairly recent news um LSI is
talking about their new generation controller so it's going to have
sandforce branding it's sandforce 3700 series I actually reached out to ad data
already and I'm like hey um are you are you guys going to have this and they're
like hey yeah don't worry about it soon
I'm like yes so uh what this is going to do is it's going to build on the same
technology that we've had for really an awfully long time with San Force to
which uh is their ability to compress and decompress data on the Fly this has
a couple of effects it improves perceived performance well Real
Performance really and number two is it actually makes your SSD last longer
because you're committing less data to flash so the the less you write to your
SSD the longer it will live um and at the time when it was launched it was it
was revolutionary because it also was able to take slow Nan Flash and squeeze
unheard of performance out of it well now we are past the point where the
flash it self is actually the bottleneck and we are on to the point where SATA 36
gbit per second has become the bigger bottleneck well this this my friends is
how sandforce 3 as I'll be calling it is going to address that because it
features both a SATA 3 interface and a
native PCI Express interface on the same
chip so instead of having cluggy Bridge chip Solutions and like like like sort
sort of we'd have like PCI Express to SATA Bridge chips and then those running
to raid controllers and then those running to what are essentially a bunch
of normal ssds laid out on a PCB with
SATA wires running through the PCB I mean that's what they were that's what
products like Revo Drive were we're going to be looking at instead a
controller that can actually address a massive amount of Flash in a highly
parallelized fashion over a much much
faster bus I mean even if I recall correctly PCIe Gen 2 1X is 500 megabytes
per second so I believe PCI E 31x would be 1 gab
per second can you look that up so that I'm not quoting the wrong numbers here
it might be 500 for Gen 3 but uh maybe
someone in twitch chat wants to correct me I'm talking out of the uh I'm talking
out of my butt here I'm having internet issues okay well at any rate okay so
basically it's much much faster than SATA 3 is capable of being and you'll be
able to plug that directly into a PCI Express slot so there's going to be a
variety of different flavors of it intended for entry level we're actually
going to go back to the uh the post on the Forum from digital nav so there's
going to be entry level and that's going to be optimized for things like msata or
ngff sockets and then there's going to be mainstream client which is going to
be like more advanced mini PCIe type of
implementations then there's Enthusiast which is going to be 2 and 1/2 inch or
you know PCIe cards and that's going to support up to PCIe 4X and full power
fail um protection so that's really cool and then all the way up to Enterprise
Products so this is extremely exciting because it's been quite a while since
we've been seen significant innovation in SSD performance I mean we've been
limited by SATA for quite some time now I mean Samsung's done some cool stuff
with things like their RAM caching yeah but we've we've we've had like you kind
of just said we've had for a long time a new SSD comes out and it's like oh it's
basically the same as the last one okay and then people just kind of like
stopped releasing new ssds for a while there it was like every few weeks so oh
there's another one oh there's another one but then yeah yeah that went on for
a long time I mean that wasn't that wasn't bound to be sustainable anyway we
all we all should have known that yeah my internet's down again too so is is
yours back up mine is like semi up I'm trying to find here it is right there
right there I need I need gen three okay PCI Express 3 blah blah blah blah blah
blah yep oh I was right awesome8 GT bit rate so about 1 Gigabyte
per second for for a 1x link so if you have a 4X link we're talking 4 G btes
per second monstrous all right so we're
about to have our best EA moment I love
this in probably months um this makes me
I don't know why but it makes me more happy than it makes me angry really this
makes you happy I I just so Need for Speed Rivals is locked at 30 frames per
second on the PC this was posted by pmit g whatever
you pronounce that um really EA like
really the best one the best one is when he brings it Beyond 60 FPS okay so hold
on hold so there's a total there's a total biscuit video about this which is
which is amazing and um so beyond
limiting the game to 30 frames per second like like like I mean that that
is probably the worst carryover I've ever seen from a console Port this aside
from like like press start to continue where they don't even bother to like
rename anything change the word to enter I mean this is terrible so get this if
you hack the config files and manage to get it running at 60 FPS the game runs
twice as fast it's a commit it's yeah it's not hack the game okay I'm using it
colloquially okay I haven't seen that since like
Commander Keen okay seriously he got it he he got it
faster than two times as fast too I I don't think he actually got it to 120
FPS but he got it pretty high and it's just hilarious and the rest of the game
doesn't run as fast as you do either so if you do this you're like way faster
than all the other cars that you're supposed to be chasing but you can't control yourself
because you're going so quickly so you just kind of like smash into
everything it's hilarious EA is basically programming for
Doss this yeah like are they not
familiar with the with the timer that's built into Windows to prevent this I
just I gave up um with Need for Speed once they once like the original crew
that was making Need for Speed left because I feel like it lost all of its
like it doesn't feel like the same game anymore um and ever since then like just
all the bad seems to be coming from it and that just that wreaks of all the
bad like why ridiculous anyways let's move on to
this topic okay so um PlayStation 4
they're all defective they all have dead HDMI ports or something once again once
again people overreacting a little bit but check this out this is actually kind
of uh here we go I mean it seems like no
console launch can exist without uh
without some kind of you know epic Hardware failure so here's a here's a
Vine oh no yeah okay so basically Xbox
Xbox Ones are are scratching discs that's a new thing there's actually a
huge warning right on the front of it that says don't move the console while
you know anything's going on then there's a there's a fair number of posts
what I suspect so okay so Microsoft staff we're terribly sorry for the
problems with the disc drive to make up for that we'll be replacing the games so
you can buy them digitally we'll be doing this we'll doing that I'm pretty sure that's not actually a real thing um
pretty sure he just wrote that oh Sor don't quote that as Microsoft no not
quot not not quoting that so I mean
we've seen all this before Xbox 360 and that's what that's what they did with
Xbox 360 is they just they dealt with the games so we'll see probably
something similar I really don't think it's the end of the world this quote if you read the whole thing goes on to to
make fun of physical media which shouldn't exist anymore but uh whatever
man I don't actually necessarily care about the disc I just kind of want the
Box well then you can just 3D print a box but then it's not as good so we'll
come full circle box yeah we'll come full circle to physical media being
irrelevant and then relevant again I'm
cool with that you just make you just make your own digital download and then
make your own one anyway you can digital download the game which is literally
digitally downloading the 3D printable game yeah you can digital download board
games yeah exactly there you go that'll
be a thing and someone's like these are 40 gig games it's like
okay that's a thing that's why that might be coming back around again
actually people might need discs again because it'll take too damn long to
download games okay that's internet infrastructure isn't
going as fast as it should be okay but on the other hand it's not like steam hasn't figured this out pre-download be
ready to play when it launches yeah but games are still getting bigger people
were pre- downloading Cod and just being like what I can't even figure out why
cod's so big because they're lying I swear to God they were lying about their
RAM they probably have just gigantic empty files like seriously so I think
someone's going to find all the ginormous files that claim to be
textures and aren't yeah because like it's I wouldn't be surprised at all
because like the six gab thing was complete crap okay or there's going to
be like 25 gigs of DLC that turns out to
be like he's already in several several million skins for the
dog that's what it'll be dog armor any
type of dog and then any type of mixed breed
dog and then any color of all of those things goldplated dog yeah goldplated
dog 300 300 head shots get a goldplated
dog I'm I'm clearly having a bit of a rough day here so I don't know how much
longer we're going to keep going but this is extremely exciting so here is a
o go away wow much gold plate okay thank
you for the ad okay there we
go can't say that man so posted by C
Gutman on XDA Developers this is the
GitHub project and it is very very cool
so with Qualcomm s so's as well as with Tegra 4S although I can't think of many
Tegra 4 devices where this would be relevant because so far they're all made
by NVIDIA and support gamestream anyway but there are five updates now on a
project that has additional controller
support so you're not going to be limited to just the uh the controller
built into the Shield or you know whatever controllers happen to be
compatible with that particular device so MOA Pro PS3 Xbox and shield
controllers are working with it um we are going to have gam stream to your
mobile device now there's still some restrictions so you're still going to
need a good Wireless implementation so if you have something like an S4 with AC
Wireless or or an HTC1 with AC Wireless
that's going to work well and they are they're able to add multi-threaded h264
decoding to the point where as long as you have something that's reasonably high performance so tgra 3 is working
okay but not well enough you are going to be able to use NVIDIA game
stream that's actually pretty freaking cool which is amazing so you can get a
demo of the in progress APK and then uh so we've had success
with uh low h264 decoding latency on
Snapdragon S4 Pro 600 devices like the Nexus 7 and
HTC1 um no we just need everything to have HDMI out yeah like that's awesome
Isn't that cool I I had briefly read over this I didn't really yeah that's
because I want my phone to be able to do that that was my whole thing I believe I
already brought this up with you so as much as I don't think Shield is the
future I think streaming technology is the future and this actually ties in
very closely to I really hope I posted this in the
dock because I don't see it right now uh steam's uh steam's group where you'll be
able to try their game streaming feature
I don't think so steam streaming stream
streaming stream steaming your stream
will be clean that should be a thing stream
steaming that should be a that should be a group of guys on Twitch should be
stream stream Steamers twitch should
have stream Steamers and they should go around to different twitch channels and
like clean out all the spam so guys check this out steam inhome streaming is
a way for people with a good home network to seamlessly play their Steam
games between two computers anywhere in the house the feature will be available
for early feedback in an upcoming beta test and beta participants will be
randomly selected for members of this group so join
go join this group so you can try it out because it sounds absolutely amazing
they have a Q&A on the page but it looks like one of the things that had me most
excited about Steam OS is actually just going to be a thing that valve's going
to be trying to bring to their platform in general how freaking exciting is that
because there is no reason why a gigabit Ethernet connection couldn't handle
1080p streaming which means that unless you have a 4K TV which you don't
well I I really don't think anyone watching has a 4K TV someone is probably
going to say they do just to troll you and then there's going to be the one dude that actually does and he's going
to try and say it everyone's going to assume he's trolling to tell them that he doesn't see there so there's no way
seven people that already said they do there's no way that I can be wrong so
anyway you can you'll be able to stream 1080p from your powerful game I mean
this is what I wanted personal cloud to me is the future I mean being able to
build your own cloud storage your own gaming your own cloud ah so cool and I
was we were worried about it like okay I don't know if you were necessarily
worried about it I was kind of the whole Cloud thing being I've pretty much had a
hard phone on it from like day one yeah yeah did I say hard phone you definitely
said hard phone I'm hard phone on it I mean what does that even
mean I am so tired that's why I disagreed with you cuz I was like
whatever that is it's awesome so
sure but yeah I I wanted private Cloud forever and I was worried because
everything was going external Cloud but then the NSA came out was all jerks and
then everyone's like oh private Cloud I'm like yay I wanted that anyway so
that works for me what are you going to hard phone next I think I'm just done
here thank you guys very much for watching The W show today um and putting
up with the technical difficulties that we went through as usual I'm sorry that
I couldn't be a little bit more together today but we it's it has been an
extremely trying week yeah actually we had a shoot on Monday that was that was
an on location shoot and then on Tuesday I don't even know what happened
Tuesday Tuesday I was catching up last week was a short week due to Remembrance
Day short weeks kind of demolish us so I mean we didn't have enough time to get
everything done in the first place um oh oh Chris has Hangouts uh slick will do
Hangouts I'm just going to leave after I do my apology for being terrible at
streaming um no no Chris says see Chris
says build blogs on Hangouts Okay okay
we got it hard phone is that a hard phone I mean Wednesday Wednesday I don't
know what happened I think I filmed things and then yesterday I oh I spent
most of Wednesday and Thursday trying to get HDMI capture working and then I'm
going to spend most of tonight editing a video and then I'm flying out tonight or
this morning I still have to do Xbox one yeah which has been creepily watching us
this whole time the red lights really throw me off yeah it actually is like
the three like dark dim deep red lights
that are in the middle of the connect are just creepy it's good thing it's not
two if you it's like two and then one underneath but if you drag down it's a
Diablo symbol Dia 3 like if you were
able to yeah I think I'm done
here use this for what oh did I does it
even have office on it I don't know but I have HDMI on this laptop oh well will
it work probably let's find out shall we
anything let's have some more technical difficulties on this stream bring on the
technical difficulties all the technical difficulties guys maybe next week maybe
next week we should do our campaign where we ask for money to buy equipment
that will allow us to not have to deal with this all the time maybe next week
we can not be putting the whole set together 5 minutes before the show uh
was it five well I don't know maybe I'd like to hear what these guys think in
twitch chat would you guys rather we bring you the image quality comparison
right away oh the giveaway oh I still need to uh yeah everyone is asking about
this thing I while you do while you do build um I'll I'll figure that
out hey it works no problem at all
hooray okay um yeah are do you are you guys
happy that we had sort of technical difficulties with the stream but we're
going to bring you our image quality comparison right away or would you have rather waited for
that someone says do the image quality comparison now do it now I don't know
where I'm supposed to get this get in the chopper
probably that
thing so people are happy they'd rather
that we have a terrible terrible show so okay the cake I went down okay so what's
going on with the cake maybe I'll eat some C I looked on the cake I looked at the sides of the cake I looked under the
cake I didn't look in the cake cuz I was going to wait until you had an
opportunity there's no names there's
nothing I'm not sure I don't have any of the infos wait so we do or we don't know
who sent it we don't well I'm I know it was like Chris and that group of guys
like it was the mods and a few other guys but I don't know exactly who it
was all righty then I'm sure one of them can tell me and I don't like I think
it's like I don't know if it's for a reason more than the fact that it's a
fan which is a no fan which makes sense and is
awesome yeah I think it's awesome that might just be the extent of the reason
but like I don't know if there's I don't know I'm really not a
big fan of this this laptop the blooping
sound that's happening well I'm trying to mute it and like the function key
seems to just not do anything cuz it's just like oh well
pressing F7 does something apparently there was a
reason for what you're talking to me right now oh there's like a compell okay
well I'll go get that once I'm done finding my giveaway winner you should do
build logs of the week at some point here I'm trying you're trying are you
trying are you trying are you trying is this your new form of trolling
you just said say the same word over again I think the real question here is
am I trying but are you try like trying
patience heart phone are you hard phone hard phone I'm always hard
phone oh oh it's a birthday
cake apparently lonus Tech tips is five on the 28th
oh I was like okay I don't think it's anyone's birthday but that's cool ah
it's lonus Tech birthday I didn't even know it's funny because someone someone
tweeted me asking if I had anything special planned for like the fifth
anniversary of lonus tech tips I was like we're
five no I I don't even celebrate my own
birthday you can definitely tell me and him remember like anniversaries and
stuff no well I okay I remember them you put it in a calendar yeah yeah so you
don't remember it no so apparently it was from Dave St
strr mape dim ghost wher erino Glenn
ixie Jay Knight and fox that is awesome
thank you so much guys and don't let that yawn sound unappreciative I do
appreciate it very much I'm just extremely tired and yeah I was right
wher sent it that's awesome wher's the
Canadian one so he ends up having to actually send all the
things I might load up all these Squarespace sites and then just let uh
let uh everyone see them first before I go ahead and pick the winner so go ahead
and do build blogs I I still don't it has to it's I didn't do build logs this
week I didn't have any time how long does it take to download like seriously
a minute to download well we have other topics so you can find something to talk
about okay what exactly are you doing I'm
working okay I'm working on things okay give me
a second what other topics do we
have there's some quick fire topics I'm that's I'm looking Apple dictionary
definition of gay includes stupid
yep
what is that better or
worse that's very debatable isn't it I mean if they take out the part about um
like homosexual if they take that out and only leave in stupid well no because
you can have multiple definitions so for example the the f word not the not the
that one but the like that one the other one um you know like there's multiple
definitions so derogatory this bundle of sticks and twigs um I think there's at
least a couple other ones and it's actually used as like or was at some
point yeah but in certain areas of so like if you were to if you were to take
the word gay and you were to say you know um homosexual archaic or something
like that and you were to upate I wish they would do that though but the
problem is that I know gay people that say I'm gay and I'm like okay no not me
but like they are I just can't communicate right now I shouldn't even be trying to talk about something this
touchy but you know gay people that say you didn't quote I'm gay yes so so I
kind of look at like okay well if you use it that way we can't really we can't
just say well it doesn't mean that anymore I'm sorry your word is gone
that's true you have to make a new word yeah it'll have to be like puku or
something yeah puku would be a perfect word for it hello sir I am puku well I
don't think most people are I mean maybe in the future people can just you know
not have to worry about concealing their pess they we live in Canada pity I don't
think it's audity I don't think people have to hide their peity in Canada not
as much that's for sure I don't know anyone actually that hides it that is
whoa well how would you know anyone who yeah
see yeah but most my friends that are
puku are very open and happy about it is
no issue because are we starting something here I'm trying to start I
hope not no we shouldn't start this I didn't even why AR we starting this why
what is the spelling for puku puku well p o o k l okay yeah yeah yeah yeah
there's only one way to spell it well well because people are spelling it other ways in the chat no no they're
wrong so I thought we might as well give them the proper dictionary spelling of
puku do you know how the word quiz was came to be no someone bet someone else
that they could invent a word and um the
way that they achieved it was they hired a bunch of school boys to run around
town writing this word everywhere and it became a word people
started using it true story that's actually hilarious
so if we get all of the people watching
in the chat to go write this word all over for ex that I don't actually think
that the word puku is an appropriate one for what we're talking talking
about cuz it just sounds kind of stupid
so come with a better one well I I'm
tired I'm tired and cranky do you have build logs what are you do no I don't
what are you even doing I'm working what
is this are you working why does anyone even watch this
stream well technically we're after hours so are we is this after party
legally no legally no yeah exactly
whatever don't pretend you started work at 9:30 today I did did you earlier than
that actually cuz I know I know some days when I'm not year you kind of set
Flex hours some days you never show up on time
either just saying why do people watch this stream
well I know why they watch the real stream I don't know why they're watching what we're doing right now why are you
people watching what we're doing right now are we are we are we truly
entertaining or is our is our like married coupless just frustrating to
behold
well well I'm done now I believe that the well no screw you I'm going wow
that's how it's going to be the first one I don't think uh the name of the guy
would be super happy with pukis
pukis pity pity sorry sorry project pity
Pope Pope I thought the new pope doesn't care
I thought that's oh yeah he's like cool and stuff yeah okay never mind sorry so
this is a pretty boss computer you know how you get to change your name when you
become the pope what you can yeah I would totally be Pope cool I well I
think there's a list of names that you can pick from though like you know how
there's been a bunch of Pope Benedicts did you know there was a pope lonus at one point that's pretty cool
yeah maybe it's bound to happen
again this computer is actually pretty ridiculously Beast is that four p pumps
seriously does that look like four pumps to you I can't even see on your screen
what a terrible screen I hate it yeah my screen's really bad uh yes wow awesome
that's amazing that is Beast part of the problem is that lions and I have both
not seen this before that is kind of incredible I really like his runs
they're really straight and if you can see there's his yeah you might say he's
got mad runs he just water cooled
all he's got the runs he's got them in his
computer I
I I I got it you might even say his computer runs like really
well oh my God I'm sorry uh
P but this is probably there we go
there's some better shots of his actual mobo that's some pretty intense water
cooling all the things he's got going on wow yeah that's incredible what a great
build normally I don't like builds where people can't really seem to decide on a
uh on a color scheme it's pretty cool yeah I like it
yeah that worked out pretty well I think he's got I can't really tell I think he
might have two Loops he has to because of the color but
I don't see the rest of it that's the problem so I think some people with this
whole Squarespace website giveaway were um not taking it entirely
seriously no I'll show you later don't worry it's coming okay moving on big
Lilo with Obi-Wan Shinobi that's an amazing name oh my God that's an amazing
name yeah I know Obi-Wan Shinobi wow I love it that's so good um x58
board really oh it's clean huh I think
it's just an overall 750s older rig with uh you know an
update or whatever whatever it looks really
nice I love that res very clean I was so stoked with my T
Virus when I first got it you move the mouse around so they can see what you're looking at then that
helps love how your demonstration was just
like I couldn't see what I was doing smart
guy oh man yeah super
clean I like how he mounted his ssds I've wanted to do something interesting
with the mounting of my ssds for a little while because I've always just kind of hid them behind the motherboard
tray but like how he has it I like having them front facing and if you can
do it kind of stealthy like that it looks really cool there we go there's a
better shot of it so right here just cut
through right there and just push the cables through looks super
nice this looks like he had um hard pipe
and he bent it which is also really
cool I can't remember the tool that you have to use for that but it's pretty
awesome I think I I've seen this
one ah was it this guide or a different guy that they did the same kind of thing
and they actually showed the technique on our website so that's pretty
cool I don't know if I can decide some of these are actually surprisingly
good this one I think is just a template but yeah no no some some of them some of
them are actually surprisingly uh surprisingly good maybe do one more
topic while I continue to review the 290x birthday cake speaking about cake
with like fans and stuff this is a 290x
birthday cake yeah I know right that's
awesome it would have been even better if it had arrived right when we were talking about that yeah it well it would
have been pretty cool uh yeah never mind he shouldn't have named it he should
it's like he should have said like it's an AMD birthday cake and then he should have let everyone in the comments rage
about which card it
was you know they would cuz they all look the same
I don't know if it's long enough to be a 290x that might be a
270x okay I want to start a discussion someone should actually measure it
out and figure out if it's long enough I don't think we have enough for okay well
if we assumed that the PCI bracket is to scale it's accurate yeah you have to it
looks like there is one under there or they did an incredibly good job with it
to be honest cuz look at that oh no I
didn't mean the PCI I meant the PCI bracket oh but yeah we could go by oh yeah that
does look pretty good doesn't it your display is terrible I know I know can it
can you turn the brightness up oh well that'll help I can't even tell if that's
it looks real no no it's not the spacing is not
even I don't think it's real I just I couldn't tell if the spacing being not
even was a problem with the camera it's good but yeah all right can I have the
HDMI cable back yep all right so we had
a a win your Squarespace website contest
and um the idea was that I'm supposed to
pick the winner but some of these are actually surprisingly uh surprisingly
good before before you keep on going with that apparently our fly team is in
the 60th spot apparently we blasted through a million points which is pretty
aggressive so if you guys want to join up on a folding team ours is rising
really fast to jump right on there okay
yay Firefox have you noticed it's been incredibly unstable lately yeah I mov
back to Nightly and it's running better again that seems to be a consistent
thing like what the he like it's been crashing on me all over the place lately
yeah the pre-alpha is more stable than the release version it's weird like
brilliant I think it's flash problems it's like what were you guys actually
doing all this time I hate flash problems because every time I kill flash
it stops freezing okay but like no one else has
those problems I know I'm just saying no I'm not saying no one else has those
problems I'm obviously having problems I mean no other uh browser all right okay
so we had a few submissions actually I I hadn't had any until I tweeted out about
it being like hey yo dog uh we haven't had many submissions so you can still
have a pretty good chance to win up he that's my friend is it yeah oh I guess I
can't really vote on this oh like I I
went to school with him cool all right so this one well where
should we start come on Firefox you can do it I believe in you not a single yeah
loaded yet no is this Firefox or is this your tether oh it's probably the
tether oh come on win stream is
win yeah I know right okay so let's try a more different
network okay and then let's see if this one just is like magically working now I
don't think the wireless on this laptop's very good there we go think the
the laptop on this laptop well there's aspects of it that are good yes the
processor is good that is true made by Intel
yeah so what you're implying that there's not a whole lot to go wrong if
you put an what are you some kind of Intel fan boy oh since when has the
processor been a major problem in a laptop um unless it's like ancient or
way underpriced all right so John wer here this one's pretty rudimentary so I
don't think we're probably going to go with this one anyway sorry to friend
here okay so the problem seems to be that function lock is enabled that's why
it's doing unpredictable things so it just says don't panic and you can see
that uh he's using a template that has stuff here that you can switch between
so go ahead and click on that can can you go to code is that possible maybe is
it going to load well the issue is that I keep not being able to even like click
on things properly yeah I know I think our internet connection down again
brilliant so back to the
tether yes sweet I like I don't understand how the
wireless could be so like we weren't having issues with the wireless on this
before were we
no yeah I was going to ask you about
that I'll talk about it later okay oh
holy balls okay so I think you have to hold function to
get like F5 to do something or I could
just go up here and oh yeah cuz right well then the the Nexus takes a while to
like decide that are you worthy yeah are
you worthy of having the internet should I actually give you the benefit of my
wires I'm not sure how warm is it running not I am a
Nexus you know what though battery life while tethering is actually not that bad
people have been raging about the battery life but Brandon saying he's super happy with it I've reached the end
of the day with as much as 50% yeah which isn't as good as the Z1 but the Z1
had a whole other host of issues that I wasn't a huge fan of so this guy's
getting pretty old and I I'm sure seriously S3 is old now well with my
usage it's getting a little bit weathered I use it a lot um and for for
how long I've had it and how much I've used it and how much I've like full drained the battery and like bad things
um now that sanen Mod's on it does pretty good I can get to the end of like
I've used it a fair amount today and I'm at 73% like that kills what it used to
be right it used to be I wouldn't use it all day and I'd get to 4:00 and i' be
dead right so like I'm pretty stoked
actually I can easily get to the end of the day with a good amount of percentage
L yay touch whiz yeah I I like I miss
my probably
it's probably locked at a 30 FPS it's locked at 30 FPS if you if you unlock
your phone to 60 FPS it runs to as fast so yeah the network connection is so
slow can you email me all of these links and we can just open them on my laptop
that might for some reason I think this is working let's let's see is your still
is your Still rocking let's see Dash rocking the
internet
yeah that's better no you have to go well that's the thing is I've already like loaded everything up on here and
like entered all of the stupid captas in order to look at these sites that's a
really easy capture that's not going to stop anything I know I don't even know
why it's there but like it's actually dude it even loads better on
mine what oh wait what oh now I'm confused
what is what are they doing what are
what are they doing with this browser right now nightly pones man I can't go
to no I think it worked before I think code is dead though I don't think code
is a working link oh okay well at any rate that's not going to win so let's
move on to the next one this one might
win so this uh someone built a little like e-commerce website that presumably
sells farts so the Slick is
$300 the two is
$19.99 and rolling thunder is $39.99 so
that's a bit of an upgrade over the toot and finally the Rev head which is a
picture of an engine uh is $45 you can own your own if you click on
here and that is the same page okay I think they get marks off for that and
also the fact that they Chris clearly didn't take this seriously at all uh
next up we've got this one didn't load correctly cuz my internet wasn't working
looks like my internet's working now just we were trying to click on a dead oh no is it now it's working slightly
better I think that's supposed to load a card from the game that I don't remember
the name of that's made by blizzard Hearthstone really you couldn't
how many hours have you spent playing Hearthstone a fair amount I've played a
lot more playing wow and it has hearth stones in
it I should have
known this is a block field see these are not loading correctly guys this is
this Joy I know him too I know like all the people that submitted websites okay
they're supposed to look more like this but but the internet is a terrible thing
okay so maybe what I'll do guys is I'll tweet out the winner later because this just clearly isn't working I'm going to
go get the cake are we still going to be streaming
or are we stopping this I don't
know are you coming back I don't know
he's not sure okay well I'm going to try
and grab y for these things so we can at
least freaking look at them oh that loaded now so there we
go this is where I'd put my appren ship if I had one what is this supposed to
be think you about
Hardware no content
portfolio not a thing software
list that's pretty
cool ah you could hyperlink the
words that would makeig things
easier now that you left your computer's working fine awesome it just doesn't
like you anymore I'm going to leave this image on screen overheated I'm so hot
probably your pillow is like gross thank
you for that are you want to take some cake
Brandon would who would say no not a cake I
brought a plate and a Knife by the way I yeah that's fine all right I love how
you didn't bring like there's only one plate because you apparently don't
believe in dishes no eating you well I ran the dishwasher if you looked in the
dishwasher you ran the dishwasher and that's an excuse for not having clean
dishes no they're all clean they're in Howes your mind even function they're in
the dishwasher clean in the dishwasher clean why would they be clean if they
were in the dishwasher cuz I haven't taken them out yet why haven't you taken
them out yet if they're clean see logical no because if they were clean
you would have taken them out so clean makes it instantly
out um so if it's clean and in the dishwasher and your mind it is not clean
well if dishwashers worked the way that I think they should then yes you should
take the I'm very tired don't hurt
yourself I should not be operating heavy machinery rece all the oh that's all the
receipts that you owe me I think so could be wrong please don't hurt
yourself I have I have sliced the cake
nope nope I can handle this or don't hurt anyone else don't do
that don't do what I thought you were going to lick the ne no I'm not going to lick the bad IDE what are you even doing
I don't know I'm trying to hold this can you hold this I we both just
offer don't kill anyone hold on I'm trying to cut a piece no I can do
this I just want some cake
you didn't bring anything to eat it with what makes you think I need anything to
eat it with oh God it looks really good what kind I I
have no idea a knock knock to a cake
hopefully it tastes better than knock to a Fan's look okay so you have a plate
I'll take this oh God okay here you go
why did you even need a
oh why did you even need a plate then for you but you didn't bring me any
utensils to use so it's not any cleaner why do you need them here thank you
Brandon cuz go to
bed with
who I need to work actually do you yeah
what are you going to do are you are you like sensible enough to actually edit
something right now or should you just sleep still oh we're definitely still
streaming yeah that that didn't stop
okay no I don't know you know it's funny
because people often criticize my unprofessionalism on this show and yep
and then you always say we're going to be more professional and then you ensure that we definitely are not every time we
try to do something more professional people say they don't like it we should
go back to the old way not true not true
and someone says they don't like it well it's because usually when we try to do
something more professional we fail because we don't put any effort into it
and that and just people no we put effort into it we don't put planning
into it or planning yeah planning is the
problem effort is not the problem of effort a fork thank you B why
would you need a fork you know it actually tastes exactly
the same if you eat it out of your hands I don't think he knows that might
taste better if you have crappy Forks it could taste like B oh someone wants to
know who won the lonus and Logan giveaway uh yes we have chosen a winner
but I haven't coordinated with him for the announcement for us to do it at the
same time yet so
sorry why don't you eat the bottom I
don't really like the outside it's pretty heavy
like it's it's like I think it's do
they starts and the brown stuff's kind
of like gum it's like I can't what it's called
start with a P or something pH what it's
like acid no it's like there's acid in the cake well probably well in my
weakend state that'll be even more of a problem well there's probably some
amount of it I meant lfd I know but that's not
what I meant you should probably have some
right now it probably be perfect time me yeah
why not I don't think so are you phone hard are you hard phone hard foam no it
was phone not foam that's what I said I can't hear you very well cuz I'm
tired okay so the Cake's good what's
this thing now I don't
know it's it's not the most appealing it
looks really cool like I like I think that's why they were able to build a fan
out of it it's the same stuff they use on like and like shap
CES that's yeah it's like but it's like
pretty solid actually it's like it's like the solidest densest like sugar
thing that um sugar and FL yeah yeah
that's probably it 10 billion people are saying fond
Dent fondant cool someone says it's not
fond it's Mars thean either way I don't really like it
but uh my wife loves this kind of stuff does she so I'll take some for her for
sure perfect and I like that it looks like a fan me too yeah
wouldn't we should have probably like pict taken a picture of it we can take a
picture of it still we'll just Photoshop in the rest like
edel can do it or something
right oh my God you know usually when I
ask him if he can do something I have some idea that what I'm
asking him is really difficult but I pretend not to so that he'll try to
appease me and help me with it because I think if he knew that I knew that it was
near impossible he would be less likely to want to help me it looks like it
might be fondant fondong perhaps sure why
not wow that's weird yeah that's some
creepy stuff wow I just dropped another piece in my lap that's pretty cool I'm
going to like a family thing after this is it also partially because you have no
idea what he's doing just like how you assume certain programming things are
super easy when they're actually super hard and you think other are super hard
when they're actually super easy that could be that I know some
things no not about programming I don't know anything I was like what I mean I
mean I know some things in general I don't know much about programming you
definitely don't know much about
programing they're just talking about
whatever lus you said you would
announce giveaways for the GTX 670 and
the keyboard yeah that's the he already I already talked about
that H apparently that's still on
there okay well I guess I'll head out uh
I guess I'll have to come back tonight to get that footage sweet we drive back out here
that sounds pretty good you have cake on your shirt I have cake on my ARM and on
my hands and on your face
I think we're done here do you need like a clo
no can I borrow your shower yeah I'm going to operate the
mouse with my foot to turn off the stream why is this
happening why is this a thing well you
know we had that conversation earlier where I was asking you know when people
are swapping boss stories do you you know tell stories about me so you're
trying to get I wanted to make sure you don't get one up it's called fond
fondant yeah we marshmallows and flour and sugar marshmallows flour and sugar
I've actually made it before I it's extremely sweet oh yeah like a lot of
sugar yeah it