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it's easy to get caught up in all the hype surrounding product launches you

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know i mean we're usually the ones telling you guys what's so great about

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the latest new widgets or in some cases what sucks about them

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but not today today i'm telling you to put your wallet back in your pocket and

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save your money for something else

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imagine this is your gaming rig it cost you about i don't know eighteen hundred

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dollars at the time and features premium parts like a core i7

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3770k and a Radeon hd 7970 and

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well they used to be premium parts only problem is you've been using them for

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seven or eight years now and while they've served you well

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the promise of a five or even eight core processor for roughly what you paid for

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your quad sounds pretty nice here's the thing though

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Intel's processors haven't really gotten all that much faster per clock over

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almost the last decade and as great as ryzen is compared to AMD's older

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offerings it's not a major leap forward compared to Intel's current lineup

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either so by my rough napkin math your 3770k might still hold up pretty well so

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let's get a baseline for how this machine runs today as it was originally

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configured we've got an old SSD a Radeon

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hd7970 and 8 gigabytes of ddr3 in here

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so while it's not screaming fast it's pretty good for its day so let's start

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off with cinebench yeah Threadripper this is not this

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actually took like three or four minutes maybe closer to five not all that far

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off from our core i7 6700 hq CPU which

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is a mobile CPU but maybe we can catch up a little bit with a couple of

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upgrades next up is blender this is usually pretty quick

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eight minutes oh boy that's fine let's

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go ahead and do some transcoding with handbrake got a file in here and that is

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our low plane video load up the activity log

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here so we can see how long it takes and go ahead and start

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is that 25 minutes

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it seems like our CPU definitely is going to be a major bottleneck that's

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fine there's other aspects of the system as well so let's try copying stuff to

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and from the network we've got a gigabit nick in here i'll use wanik our fast

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server there's a bunch of footage in here let's just take this mp4

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and copy it to the desktop that's 900 megabits per second respectable we're

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about 100 megabits per second down from what we should be getting but that's

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theoretical maximum actually i'm noticing something here while i'm

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browsing through the network shares it's actually really snappy i mean browsing

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directories isn't really a big thing but you do it a lot

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so let's go ahead and try that file copy and see what happens

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looks like it's within about three seconds in each direction that's not too

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bad considering we've got about 500 megabytes worth of files for 85 to files

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total they're just large photos i don't know let's just let's load up a video

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okay that's 1080p it doesn't look like we're dropping any

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frames or anything let's try 4k yeah

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it's definitely chugging on 4k 60. yeah see it just paused there but it's

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actually got plenty downloaded already that's the GPU struggling to decode all

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this yeah the CPU is basically pegged the GPU is well i don't want to call

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that pegged but this isn't really a great spotlight into what the GPU is

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doing all right well let's fire up a game and see how that looks 29 31 32

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that's 1080p high 7970 was a great card

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but 33 FPS average with a 106 FPS maximum

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thing is newer hardware brings improvements to the table other than

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higher speeds and more cores Thunderbolt an NVMe support better audio chipsets

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faster networking and greatly improved pci express expansion particularly on

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the AMD side of things as for our old system here

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we can't even connect modern high resolution high refresh rate monitors

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without one of these and usb is even worse

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we've got two super speed usb ports

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and there's a header for two more in here and even more headers for usb 2.0

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because most of this back panel is taken up by display outputs that we're never

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going to use so you plug in a keyboard and a mouse and you're left with just

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four usb ports here two of which are painfully slow

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thankfully we can fix some of that now our old motherboard here still has pci

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yes pci slots and we won't be using any

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of those but we've got twin pci express 16 slots

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this one here and this black one down here and one accessible

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1x slot up here there's another one under the GPU but we can't really access

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it now for our secondary x16 slot the obvious choice is a modern usb expansion

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card like this one here this one adds two 10 gigabit ports and

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there are options out there that have headers for even more on the back

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bringing us close to newer motherboards in terms of usb let's pop that in right

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now now some boards from this area use many pci express for wi-fi and that can

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easily be swapped out but ours doesn't so we could use a usb port for that but

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the 1x slot up at the top here sounds like a good candidate for that

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so it goes if you don't need wi-fi a 2.5

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gigabit network card like this guy will cost you about 50 bucks or less and has

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the potential to improve network speeds by about 2.5 times if you need both

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thank goodness for our extra usb ports we can expand that way

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i would have killed for usb type-c

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back when this thing was new so it's been a few days

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uh a few weeks a little a little over a

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month and a bit it's been a while

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where was i Ethernet is only gigabit though which is

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a bit of a problem for 2.5 gig adopters if you don't have the right type of

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cabling or the right switch you're not going to get that 2.5 gig Ethernet so in

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our case we're not really getting much benefit over our original gigabit

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Ethernet controller on our motherboard that being said it can do it let's take

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a look at the wi-fi and see if that performs about as well as we'd expect

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so right now we're connected to our five gigahertz wi-fi we've got a 600 megabit

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per second connection so let's just go ahead and disable the Ethernet

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25-ish megabytes per second that seems a little

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slow tldr it looks like make sure you get a

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decent wi-fi adapter and also that your wi-fi connection is actually capable of

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handling speeds like this so this number you see 216.5 that is best case scenario

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and both ways it's not quite the upgrade we were hoping for one advantage we do

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gain from this Wi-Fi adapter is bluetooth it's not something that this motherboard

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actually comes with out of the box so having that is also a bit of a value add

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whether it's worth spending the extra you know 80 or 90 on what we just put in

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here is up to you but it's in there the thing is it's not

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going to help us with our game it's time for some major upgrades now we're saving

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a buck so we chose a GeForce rtx 2060

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super it still packs a lot of punch but as a mid-range enthusiast card it's less

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likely to be bottlenecked by our older system particularly if we want to turn

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rtx on next it's time to talk RAM our single

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stick of ddr3 1600 memory

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it would have been fine right today but it's scraping the barrel now and both a

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bump in bandwidth and capacity could make a big difference out goes the 1600

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and in goes a kit of ddr3

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1866. we'll enable dual channel and get us a

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little extra oomph hit subscribe so you don't miss our upcoming video on how much RAM you need in 2020 just in case

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the answer is 32 gigs we've still got two slots open here if we need them

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finally our SSD now 240 gigabytes could get the job done in 2012 but today

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that's like your operating system and the latest call of duty like have you

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seen how big that thing is it's like 200 mags to 200 megs 200 gigs to download

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right now anyway we chose the samsung 860 evo this is a

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two terabyte model you don't have to go this large but the point we're making here is that you can add as much

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capacity as you want as long as you've got available SATA ports you can

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continue to use your old SSD as your boot drive but

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if you switch it over to this or better yet install a fresh operating system

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either way you can get a pretty nice little performance boost so i'd recommend doing

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that at this time your old 240 gig makes a great scratch disk for projects or

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backup targeting Windows using Windows built-in backup feature and with those

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tweaks made let's see how it performs compared to

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our ryzen 7 3700x rig here

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this is our GPU bench and for those of you keeping track at home that CPU costs

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about as much today as the 3770k did when it was new what

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should i fire up should i do shadow of the tomb raider i think i did shadow of the tomb raider previously got doomed

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eternal on here i wonder what people who add us to the

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friends list on steam actually think they're going to accomplish do they just

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want to have their name show up in the video for like half a second all right

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let's see what settings we have

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oh uh older cpus like this kind of had trouble

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with higher speed memory like this all right so back at 1600 megahertz

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memory looks like we're fine now so let's go into the settings here this

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does not look like 640x480 i'm sorry um

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blur off performance metrics let's throw that on ultra nightmare no resolution

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scaling so yeah this will just be 1080p look at that

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260fps uh that's pretty smooth

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oh

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of course you're trying to upgrade an old pc like this sometimes it's not

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going to work quite as smoothly as with a new pc but as you saw it was running

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really well i just need to make sure that i can

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keep it running okay so i switched the RAM slots around

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looks like we have some weak slots everything's fine now like objectively

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this is very playable like beyond playable actually

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it's been a while since i've fired up a tomb raider game pretty smooth

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i don't know what else there is to say about it it's perfectly playable um if

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this is not 60fps then it very much looks like it is anyway

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let's try something else then so

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i don't know let's fire up blender and see what that looks like all right let's do the CPU test first

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this one actually should take a couple of minutes just to give us a little bit

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of a baseline because ryzen is definitely going to cream this as far as

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CPU goes but with GPU rendering especially with blender's new optics

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render i expect it's going to be very similar

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okay so that took a hot minute on the CPU let's see what it looks like on the

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GPU with optics i expect it's not going to take very

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long yeah 32.68 seconds basically the GPU is

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doing a hard carry so what about let's do premiere so this is

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the video that actually went up today as of the day we're filming um the ryzen 3

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third gen and uh it's not a particularly complex

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edit but it is a full ltd video edit and

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i can kind of scrub through it pretty quickly this is stuff that comes from the c200 but i mean still high res high

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bitrate files and i think mostly what we're waiting on here is the Ethernet

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because we're only using gigabit right now

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maybe it's a combo of both CPU maybe the bottleneck there

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GPU certainly is not uh it is being utilized

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network is like 600 800 megabits per second okay

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so performance isn't quite comparable to our brand new pc but objectively over 60

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FPS max settings at 1080p in pretty much any game is basically exactly what we

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want and it's within about 20 FPS of our ryzen machine

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as you might expect there are still some situations where you definitely want the

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newer system like some CPU-bound games and particularly if you're doing a lot

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of CPU-heavy productivity work like compiling code or transcoding media it's

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also worth noting that even though we didn't test it today an older quad-core

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machine will probably struggle streaming vr games Linus was dropping frames with

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his old haswell rig even though he was using his gpus encoder because the CPU

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just couldn't keep up and i'm sure there are other edge cases like this where the

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new machine will make a big difference and there's more you won't be able to get

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with an upgrade like this too Thunderbolt 3 is off the table and

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horrifyingly there's no RGB

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depending on who you ask that part may be a good thing there's a reason why

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there's a blackout option in most RGB controls after all but

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we were able to come at least halfway to the performance of our modern machine

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in gaming while saving between 370 and

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500 off of the cost of a new machine and that's assuming we're keeping our case

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in power supply money that can then be turned into an upgrade for those parts

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later on down the line better yet that's a case motherboard and power supply and

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a CPU that won't end up in a landfill for at

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least another couple years that being said for some people they're still going

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to have to because they can't live with the security flaws and the performance

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implications that those brought to the table but for everyday gamers and

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desktop users well a little upgrade

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goes a long way thanks for watching guys check out our 10 years of gaming pc

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series really puts things into perspective the machine this old can

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still be usable today