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portable gaming systems like the valve steam deck offer an unprecedented amount

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of pc gaming goodness in a handheld form factor but with great performance comes

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great heat and great fan noise now valve

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has addressed this to a significant degree pun intended by altering the fan

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curves of the steam deck to achieve a better balance between noise and thermal

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management but there's a limit to how much you can do by simply tuning how

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quickly your fan is spinning the laws of physics can't be broken well you know

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what i say i say physics we're gonna do it hot rod

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style with this m.2 cooler this block of

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aluminum about a hundred thousand dollars worth of solid works licenses

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and of course this is this is it this is all we've got

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the genesis of this video was actually a conversation with aya about the upcoming

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neo2 because it's much smaller more

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compact than the steam deck but it actually has a similar thermal envelope

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for the soc and i expressed concern knowing what i knew about the okay

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better managed but certainly audible fan on the steam deck

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that if you got to remove that heat you got to do it somehow and i was like dude you

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know would be super cool if you just had like a strap-on cooler remember those

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you know those little water coolers that you can just dunk ice into a reservoir

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and then lube onto the back of your phone oh yeah well apparently enough

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people are buying those that it's an entire freaking product category so it

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really doesn't seem that far-fetched to have a strap-on extra cooling module for

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your handheld gaming pc and

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i think that with alex's skills we could actually do it in a way that is

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pretty darn user friendly so today i'm making your strap-on

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yes yes let's do it the idea then is to

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repurpose another cooler like this hr09

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m.2 cooler from thermal right to add supplemental cooling to the soc and we

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believe the steam deck is a perfect candidate for this because with relative

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ease we can jury rig a mounting mechanism and cut a hole in the back of

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it that'll let it just kind of hot rod out the back

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should be easy of course to determine whether our modification achieves the

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desired results we're going to need to take some baseline readings now we can't

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rely on performance for this because i think alex and i are in agreement that

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it will probably be identical after the fact yeah these systems are generally

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power limited more so than they are thermally limited but what we can see is

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in a demanding game like horizon zero dawn our CPU and GPU are sitting in the

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82 to 84 degree range and our system fan

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is noticeably audible those are two things

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we'd like to address also alex our fan RPM is around 5700 oh that's pretty high

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yeah i'll be really interested to see if we can lower that that's a way that we

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can empirically measure how much quieter we've made it even

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though we don't have an acoustic chamber yet yeah the tormach being on is louder than

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this but like it's a cnc mill if i was sitting gaming i would definitely notice

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this yeah step one then shut down the steam deck

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yep take it apart perhaps for the last time well it's gonna survive this this can be

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fine you know how mad people are gonna be if we ruin a steam deck these things

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are rarer than hens teeth it'll be fine this explicitly says no thermal testing

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that's only because we've disassembled it before it's fine to thermally test this

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against itself with a different cooler on it just want to point that out

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what a nerd Dan signed the inside of this one from

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when he opened it up to fix it also really Dan

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or is this from you well that's from me but it came with not all

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the screws in it from Dan what's next then this is about the shape that i'm

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thinking our thing will be it kind of interferes with our Wi-Fi card that might be a

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problem which thing oh you're gonna do a big heat spreader

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well we need this to attach to something that can attach to the mounting holes

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got it so we need a like a mid plate yeah

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understood hey i couldn't help noticing this emi shield also seems to be acting

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as a heat spreader of some sort for the vrms

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have we accounted for that oh yeah we're just gonna cover this

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thing in thermal pads instead of those thermal pads you know we could use say

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it i don't want no we could just coat this entire thing in k5 pro

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we are not doing that you know how long it took me to clean that graphics card

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but think about how great for one our thermals would be and two it would be so

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easy to put on and also uh so easy to put on okay yeah enough

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oh i learned this really cool tip recently if you want the center to

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center distance between two holes that are the same size

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come in measure the one hole

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zero it and then you can measure to the outside of each

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hole oh that's cool and then it's just subtracted yeah essentially it cancels

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out so we have 1.9

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cool you turn on the fume extractor yeah just for sanity we're going to

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laser cut out a little thing here make sure everything lines up doesn't

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interfere now we can check around the middle if it looks good nice ah brandon be fast

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you'll miss it he fight he's firing my laser

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good job alex

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a lot of people might have used scissors to cut paper

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if you use scissors to cut paper like what are you even doing

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some kind of caveman what yeah what's the repeatability of your scissor

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cutting my laser is under a thou so maybe i want to scooch it that way

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just a tiny bit more but that seems pretty good yeah

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that seems freaking awesome i mean honestly i don't even think you need to

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we might as well it's just cheap insurance it's very easy good we're good

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we're good to go we're ready to go i'm moving we're ready 0.03 of an inch

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we're ready give me the aluminum i'm cutting it

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okay i need your help you don't even put that piece of

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aluminum in there you need to cut it first okay

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what do i do then uh you can cut a hole in the back of

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this can we just laser that no this is i believe abs it's a

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thermoplastic so instead of you know cutting it just melts and then catches

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on fire and it's a pretty bad time routing it

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we could but then i have to program the router and we have to strap this down

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whereas like handing you a dremel takes very little time but the results alex

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think of the results oh we have a template how are we going to figure out

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exactly where the temperature is gonna be kind of hard uh one way we can do it

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is this hole right here

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lines up with that so it does

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it'll be close yeah it'll be like pretty

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close okay i can handle that oh and we also have these beautiful new bits come

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over here oh really you know we have this dremel screw that thing dremel stuff

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look what since when do dremel suck i thought we love dremels wait what are these what's

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this how much did i pay for this oh like 90 bucks

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huh they're kind of beautiful i know

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oh okay what do they do

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well it's like that sound you can use it with the dye

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grinder it's like a dremel but with balls huh

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where would i find two skinny

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sticks or skinny rods dowel pin assortment alloy steel

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uh yeah this could work yeah this will do

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now this is in place ish to turn this piece of aluminum into you know a

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functional part we need to cut it on the tormach first thing though i need to do

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a bunch of can if everything goes well it should look

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something like this

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that should take us about 11 minutes fun thing while you were figuring out if we

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can i actually ran a little experiment to determine if we should check this out

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uh are your plugs in yet no okay keep them out watch this okay see the GPU

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temps yeah around 80 uh 70 right now but yeah okay okay

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listen to the fan watch this i'm gonna take this heat pipe and touch it to this

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thermal pad

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oh wow it's totally gonna work it just

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completely dropped yeah it's already 10 degrees cooler

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oh my god this is like actually worth doing

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i just assumed it wouldn't be honestly

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this is gonna be freaking awesome how much more exciting is this project

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now that we know it's gonna totally kick ass it's honestly a lot more exciting i

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thought it was gonna be just stupid this guy always doubts me

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that's not hot no oh okay cool now it appears that i'm

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lining this up by hand but i'm actually not i have marked this one

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and then what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna put little scratch marks on for these

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other two i'm gonna drill out these holes then i

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can validate that they're all in the right spots before i make the complete

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cutout because i'm actually going to cut out this entire shape

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all right no turning back now

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there's officially extra holes in this steam deck now we just take this

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pop it back on here and see if we manage to line up all

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those holes what would you say if i told you i absolutely freaking nailed this

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i'll be burning fast holy crap did i have this on

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oh wait no no it's fine i only have the backing over there

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sorry i just brain part brain part moment now that i

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know where the holes are supposed to be ah

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i can know exactly where my template needs to be and i can mark it and cut it

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out oh this thing's such a beautiful machine just it's biggest out to tormach

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once again

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that is really cool oh yeah it's so sick

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all right

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looks good just need to flip her over chop off the bottom and ready to test

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fit if this works oh

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it works perfectly good but it just barely hits our wi-fi module it's like

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30 seconds on the belt sander too yeah very easy the more difficult thing

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though you might notice our studs aren't quite long enough

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oh there's two ways we can go about this we

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can either remove a bit of material from here like a five hundredth of an inch or

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so or we have little

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chummies so we could just chop these at a good

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height put that on top and have the whole thing just be

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higher oh i think we should just shave this down yeah i think so

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yeah let's let's do that man we've got a we've got a lot of thickness here i think we should take

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this down to like half of the overall thickness

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okay that's my vibe just make it lower profile because that's going to take

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weight off of it too which would be nice and also if we take it off from the

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bottom here we might get a tiny bit better performance for your pizza

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yeah then i in the meantime i'm gonna finally actually cut out the back of

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this steam deck one thing that's awesome about the

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tormach is that we get conversational programming so instead of taking all the

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time to make something in solidworks program it

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export the g-code you can just do it right in here and tell it like i want to

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face something off uh 500 thousands of an inch and

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boom it does it

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i'm sorry alex i don't like the clamp you only live once

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uh hey alex yeah you would use those

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deburring things at this stage now then right at that stage you're so close i'd

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probably just use a file oh all right

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okay this voided out dremel is amazing i'm deburring slash taking off a little

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bit of material that i missed before just listen to it

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here it is my perfect dremel job you ready well okay perfect is a strong word but

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here it is good though here it is my not bad dermal job yeah not bad at all

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hi there

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it should fit now if we both executed perfectly this will fit immediately yep

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what are the odds high very high i believe in us

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i'm sorry are you are you taking the piss

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do you think that you did a good job yes well this is definitely a good job it'll

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fit then all right sure uh oh i go first right yep okay

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there it is and

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um yeah okay hold on very close very close hold

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on maybe it just needs a little massaging

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just a little little misogynation

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misogyny wait no not that it's very tight

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whoa damn okay that's actually pretty good yeah

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this is awesome thermal pads and tested

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i think so this is just like a black acrylic cover

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yep cool uh these rods are still not long enough

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though if we want to put our trim piece on also no but we have to take the

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heatsink off right because there's going to be you know a

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tower attached to it got it okay here we

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go since we don't know the exact z heights of anything in here we're taking

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a bit of a yolo approach we're gonna just err on

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the side of making our thermal pads a bit taller and then we're gonna make

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sure that we mash down the cooler really well one way

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we can validate the thickness of our thermal pads is by putting this down

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with just a trace amount of thermal paste on the top there and seeing if it

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touches it it does not so clearly this

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is too thick let's pull that off let's go ahead and try it one more time

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let's see if it's yours that's the problem yes it touched

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barely to make sure that we have thermal pads everywhere we need them we can look

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at this little shield right here and we can see this one thermal pad

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we're not able to hit with our plate here it's for this

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little ic which is probably responsible

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for charging and potentially gets really hot i have just the thing

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knew it a little tiny heatsink

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he's so cute look at him he's adorable

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then let's do a quick scan around at our thermal pads actually

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it looks like everything is making contact this is not

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terrible yeah all right freaking

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rock on is this the part where we screw it on

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yeah we'll make that one face first but yeah get the close-up out oops oh my god alex

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what the hell is going on man well i didn't mean to put that much on there

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kind of just happened we'll need to scrape some off oh my goodness i mean we

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do want to go a little bit heavier than we normally would

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any extras just going to squeeze out anyway and we're really not sure how

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great our contact here is going to be

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but that yeah

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you know i didn't even take off that much actually should we fire it up well

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let's put it back together oh wow we never actually turned it off

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the game is um still running oh wow okay

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well this is interesting oh it's running at 42

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degrees holy crap yeah we just put a big cold thermal mass on it

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but still i wonder if just adding this

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sink and then a vent hole is enough

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maybe no it'll heat up it'll heat up it'll heat up

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but like if we wanted to do this not dumb we probably could just add a bunch of

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little fins here yeah it would passively dissipate a bunch of heat a lot

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more than you'd probably think might as well just leave it running i

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guess i mean you want big boy or small boy

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i want to go practical believe it or not i know who am i right let's go for the

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small one i'ma let you finish but

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there's a couple things going on here that you should know one is that this is flipping hot

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thermal transfer definitely taking place oh my god

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two is we already dropped 10 degrees

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it's at 71 on the GPU 72 and it has

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settled in we don't even need the fins on the back

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that's all valve had to do stick a burning hot hunk of metal on the back of

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the steam deck it would make it uncompliant though oh

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it would burn the users yeah yeah uh oh

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alex yeah how's this gonna stay well we're going to use this test it and

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i'll put back on thermal epoxy later but we need to finish this video

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okay cool oh my god please tell me it fits

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alex wait does this one not fit please tell me it fits this one fits are you

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sure

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did you fly too close to the sun i fit it earlier

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thermal expansion alex oh that could be it actually we have to cool it down

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that's cooler oh it's still pretty hot i don't know

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man almost and the more this goes in there

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the more it'll cool down faster

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those tolerances while it heats up here

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let's just appreciate the finished handiwork

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alex full credit man

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this looks awesome

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that is hot rod pc cooling if i have ever

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seen it can we take a moment to appreciate that thermal thermalright

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went and put a flame silhouette on this heatsink

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it's beautiful match made in absolute heaven right here

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now do you mind pulling up the the numbers

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from the before numbers sure i believe it was 86 degrees when we were

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in here man it takes a long time to get up to

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temps now that's why you use usbc

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we actually made it up to exactly the same temps

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81 well not quite 81 degrees celsius

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yeah we're about five degrees cooler now but

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we did manage to drop almost 2000 RPM

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off the fan and it's a 2000 RPM that counts for

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a lot it is way quieter

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where do you see that down here 5300 RPM

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yeah it was 57 before oh i thought it was 7000. no wait it didn't work

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you know what i bet it is this thing is

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flipping hot v2 this with a fan

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yeah i bet we could even do that now let's mock it up

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i'll be back with an octo 40 mil in addition to adding a fan there's

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probably things we could do to more efficiently pull heat off of the soc

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like right now we're just thermal paste just like gooped in there and stuff like

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that it's not ideal

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wow that's really in there good though oh man that's freaking hot

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no way i don't know if it's gonna get higher

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like it might but it turns out that putting a fan on your cooler uh

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it works people do it for a reason

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yeah you don't necessarily want like you know all of this to control your fan no

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but i think you could probably wire a fan into the board of the steam deck

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it's got to have five volts somewhere yeah this is a five volt fan it would be

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a super easy put it in solder it would be fine what i worry is that it might

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cost you some of your overall power budget for the device

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.035 watts that's a full bore

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okay it's probably fine yeah this is incredible and without a doubt this

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would be my preferred steam deck if given the choice well and with the

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fan actually wired up internally yeah of course in our perfect world the mounting

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system for the external cooler would be such that you can unscrew it with

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thumbscrews or something like that pop it off and then put your normal plate on

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and have the whole system operate completely normally it's just that

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alex noticed while we were off camera that there was a bit of a gap between

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our m.2 cooler and the bottom plate and he vice gripped them together

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and now they do not come apart yeah it's not coming apart ever again no oh that's

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an interesting idea yeah one of the other side effects of putting the fan on

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is that this plate is a way more reasonable temperature now what are we

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looking at looks like 49 degrees

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yeah which is right around you get burned but it takes a real long time

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whereas before it was you get burned but very fast

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