WEBVTT 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:05.879 CRT tube TVs have been Irrelevant for so 00:00:03.199 --> 00:00:11.759 long that I have people working for me who have never used one but in a lot of 00:00:08.719 --> 00:00:13.799 ways they are still number one I mean 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:19.640 look at this little buddy right here zero latency Stellar motion Clarity and 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:26.039 Inky blacks not only that but look at the way its unique properties blend 00:00:22.119 --> 00:00:29.039 blocky ugly Sprites into art take a mere 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:32.160 256 colors and turn them into a digital 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:36.440 rainbow just sucks they come in such 00:00:32.160 --> 00:00:38.280 giant heavy package the wait a minute 00:00:36.440 --> 00:00:45.520 that's not a CRT this is just an OLED in disguise 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:46.440 really convincing though what dark magic 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:52.960 is this retro tank 4K dark magic Hey look 00:00:50.440 --> 00:00:58.600 it's that guy this is admittedly a pretty Niche product but I don't think I 00:00:55.399 --> 00:01:02.039 care if it gets views it's really cool 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:05.519 or at least on paper it is they claim 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:08.240 it's the best and most versatile retro 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:13.799 video game scaler to ever hit the market and after using it for a few weeks we're 00:01:10.360 --> 00:01:16.640 left wondering is it finally time to 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:20.680 stop hoarding these bad boys and stop hoarding all these messages we could 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:24.280 give you from our sponsor build Redux they make it a breeze to customize your 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:28.079 own personalized build with support guides and a bunch of configuration 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:32.399 options just throw stuff in there put a power supply in there ah head to build 00:01:29.880 --> 00:01:38.680 build ru.com Linus and start your new build today you may already know that a 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:40.960 scaler scales one input resolution to a 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:46.159 different usually higher output resolution but like with anything not 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:51.719 all scalers are created equal and this is most apparent when you watch your 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:54.759 modern TV struggle with older content 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:57.479 like the approximately 240 P that is 00:01:54.759 --> 00:02:02.280 coming out of this Sega Genesis and I mean I kind of get it why would TV 00:02:00.479 --> 00:02:08.440 manufacturers bother to invest in a feature that most people won't notice 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:11.680 but come on guys to show you just how 00:02:08.440 --> 00:02:15.360 bad it is let's have a look at how a 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:18.080 $1,300 OLED TV fares using its internal 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:22.640 scaler against a random CRT that we got for 50 bucks on Facebook Marketplace hey 00:02:20.720 --> 00:02:27.160 finally get a report yeah yeah okay we're good look at his face like that 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:31.760 looks like a picture almost like a TV feed from that era whereas that's just 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:35.160 like a mess of reddishness why did we leave that one stretched it's uh you 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:39.879 don't have much options when you use Little Boxes like this that's why you 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:45.159 were going off on this when we saw this during Adam's upgrade that one no this 00:02:42.640 --> 00:02:49.560 entire video is just a slam dunk on this something you wouldn't expect the 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:55.120 scaler to affect based on its name is the color representation but it is 00:02:52.360 --> 00:03:00.040 amazing knowing that these are accurate displays how far off they are I mean the 00:02:57.920 --> 00:03:04.959 ice is green yeah Brandon's even even calibrated these two so we can trust 00:03:02.239 --> 00:03:10.760 that they're exactly right I don't notice any issues with input latency on 00:03:07.200 --> 00:03:13.000 the CRT obviously it's lightning fast 00:03:10.760 --> 00:03:19.239 but there's definitely a bit of leg on this top left one oh yeah we're going to 00:03:15.040 --> 00:03:22.720 swap the direct one to a retro tank 00:03:19.239 --> 00:03:24.480 ooh oh wow I didn't realize how bad the 00:03:22.720 --> 00:03:28.319 latency was on here because I just kind of compensated for it I think and then 00:03:26.519 --> 00:03:34.959 all of a sudden it's playable now the color is not matching 00:03:31.519 --> 00:03:38.400 our CRT at all it's very hard to match 00:03:34.959 --> 00:03:39.599 the CRT on every game we can mess with 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:43.879 it and that's one of the joys of the retrotink is that you can Tink with it 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:48.080 all day long there is so many settings that we can get into uh including color 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:52.159 correction and stuff whatever deficiencies or even just differences 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:58.680 that it might have in color though there is no question in my mind that it is a 00:03:54.760 --> 00:04:01.840 super clean image and yet it still looks 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:05.280 CRT this is just a quick and dirty mask 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:07.400 and filter that I've set up for this the 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:12.159 Genesis uh this is also kind of the worst case scenario for the Retro tank 00:04:09.720 --> 00:04:15.720 Mike Chi the creator of retro tank likes composite image and there's kind of like 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:20.359 a a Mystique to the blurriness of composite but as a general rule 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:24.479 everything else is better and so the fact that it can make this look as 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:29.680 decent as it does is kind of incredible you got to get a a goal man I I don't 00:04:27.080 --> 00:04:37.600 think I can I don't think I could score tying this game otherwise we 00:04:32.919 --> 00:04:39.560 Riot no no no oh they cut it cut cut 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:44.320 it's impossible to get everyone to agree on what looks best but I think what we 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:51.199 can all agree on is that both of the larger oleds looked awful and they feel 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:53.440 awful we measured about 45 milliseconds 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:58.600 of added input latency when connecting a composite Source directly to the TV or 00:04:56.440 --> 00:05:02.759 through that little piece of crap scaler for context the highest input latency 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:09.919 that we measured from the rest of the scalers that we're going to be talking about and showing today is one of that 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:14.000 there are a surprising number of options out there and many of them are excellent 00:05:12.320 --> 00:05:19.720 but they have always had their compromises like no support for 4K so 00:05:17.320 --> 00:05:26.759 the retrotink 4k's claim to fame is surprise surprise it's the world's first 00:05:22.440 --> 00:05:29.120 4K scaler for retro games in our opinion 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:35.440 that's not even the best thing about it power a cyclone 5 series fpga the Retro 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:40.039 tank 4K has cuttingedge CRT phosphor emulation filters imperceptible 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:45.240 processing delay and it has some of the most robust io on a single consumer 00:05:42.520 --> 00:05:51.840 device that we have ever seen it's powered by USBC which is really nice 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:53.520 it's got scar RCA and a brand new VGA 00:05:51.840 --> 00:05:58.199 port which was missing from the previous Top Dog retrotink 5x and each of these 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:02.560 can handle a variety of analog video standards with inexpensive expensive 00:05:59.840 --> 00:06:07.280 adapters Mike the Creator retro tank even added extra composite and S video 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:11.599 to the front which means you don't have to share your RCA jacks between your 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:15.759 component and your composite anymore it's got toss link as well as a 3 and 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:20.759 half mm audio jack here which can be assigned to any of your video inputs 00:06:17.919 --> 00:06:28.039 it's got an HDMI output to go to your TV and what's this an HDMI input now why 00:06:25.520 --> 00:06:33.759 you might ask would a retro gamer need an HDMI input put well not to make you 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:41.120 feel old or anything but the PS3 with its HDMI output came out 17 years ago 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:46.319 not only that but we've also seen an increase in HDMI equipped older consoles 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:51.319 some of these are coming in the form of mini re-releases some are thirdparty 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:56.840 Recreations and some are just aftermarket mods to original consoles 00:06:54.080 --> 00:07:02.960 the bottom line here is HDMI is the standard and it unlocks a lot of of new 00:07:00.039 --> 00:07:09.360 possibilities like pairing up your retro tank with a Mr fpga for the ultimate in 00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:14.599 Retro Gaming goodness I'm about to try it probably cry a little bit but first I 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:21.160 actually want to show off our retro battle station here it might not look like much from this side but this 00:07:18.479 --> 00:07:27.599 monster is capable of playing any of our systems simultaneously across four TVs 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:32.400 without any loss in image quality and a big part of that is thanks to this guy 00:07:30.400 --> 00:07:39.759 when we told AV Pro Edge what we were trying to do they sent over this 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:43.360 ludicrously overpowered 8K HDR 8 input 8 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:45.319 output HDMI Matrix switcher huge thank 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:49.039 you to those guys and I'd love to talk about all the other little pieces that 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:52.879 we have going on here but it gets pretty in the weed so instead we're going to 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:58.879 have a Floatplane exclusive where David is going to walk you through the whole 00:07:54.400 --> 00:08:00.360 setup uh LMG g/f Floatplane for now 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:04.120 let's game this is the part of the video where if you're anything like me you're 00:08:01.919 --> 00:08:09.400 going to fall deeply in love with the Retro tank when you have a chance to 00:08:07.400 --> 00:08:15.440 customize your mass and all the settings to your preference you'll start to see 00:08:13.280 --> 00:08:19.280 how powerful this thing really is this is how I set it for my own eyes and what 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:23.360 I found with people kind of walking around and giving their perspective is 00:08:21.280 --> 00:08:27.199 people have very different preferences to me this looks so much better than the 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:34.039 raw Mister but some people like that Pixel Perfect Look but no right it looks 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:35.919 so much better this has that TV look 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:40.320 that looks awesome looks great why would I ever even look at these and you can 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:46.320 really see the age of these CRTs and some of the 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:48.360 just off highlights like the the red hat 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:54.959 yeah I can't even see any of the detail in it but this is clean yeah but also 00:08:52.040 --> 00:09:00.480 still has that CRT look to it it's a tragedy that CRTs are just gonna kind of 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:05.240 fade away and they're going to only get worse and worse uh every time they're 00:09:03.040 --> 00:09:10.519 used and it's kind of nice to know that we're finally getting to the point with 00:09:06.920 --> 00:09:12.200 scalers where we don't have to be sad 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:17.160 yeah we don't have to be sad well I mean the fact that you just want to keep playing on this screen like you you 00:09:14.680 --> 00:09:21.560 don't even look at the CRTs is a good sign no there's no reason to look at 00:09:18.880 --> 00:09:25.920 them like this is just freaking awesome and what I find is so nice with modern 00:09:23.760 --> 00:09:29.880 devices is just the consistency I know when I turn it on it's going to be good 00:09:27.760 --> 00:09:33.839 with that cheap CRT every time I came back to it it would 00:09:32.160 --> 00:09:37.360 look different sometimes it would have like scan lines going up sometimes it 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:43.120 would be like the capacitors are going right now it's a little flickery it's actually doing pretty good um but it's 00:09:41.079 --> 00:09:47.519 like the temperature you know the way I look at it it changes what that image is 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:51.720 going to look like whereas every time I turn on a retro ttin in this OLED it's 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:55.839 going to look exactly how I set it holy I have never gotten all five in my 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:55.839 entire 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:05.000 life no way am I supposed the script is just 00:10:03.760 --> 00:10:13.079 rolling we're just we're going completely off script here boys well here's the 4K remote versus the 5x 00:10:10.640 --> 00:10:17.160 remote so they did a remote this time they did a remote this time it's 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:22.560 actually so useful I could just be like n dog how about 1080p well it's actually 00:10:19.680 --> 00:10:27.880 well that doesn't look great but it's kind of a huge deal when I first got my 00:10:25.040 --> 00:10:34.120 retro ttin 5x it was defaulting to 1440p but had a TV that didn't accept 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:37.200 1440p image and so it like would come in 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:39.120 a one frame every like 3 seconds so this 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:42.600 would have saved you just one button press boom that's just through the 00:10:40.680 --> 00:10:49.519 mister without the that's just the Mis yeah so it's got that super super clean 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:51.440 sharp I mean honestly yeah sure I could 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:54.839 play on that too yeah but it doesn't look like a CRT so we don't need to 00:10:53.600 --> 00:11:01.360 change the input although we could look at it the profile right now it's my like 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:02.760 Mr profile that I kind of quickly set um 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:08.320 the ones where I would start where it's the most fun is the image processing M 00:11:05.680 --> 00:11:12.120 so there's a scan line and a mask the scale line it's emulating scal lines but 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:17.000 there's quite a bit of control within it uh The Masks are like that simulation of 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:21.000 you know the the aperture Grill and the phosphor lights kind of interacting and 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:24.880 then there's a horizontal blur which I think is actually kind of like the the 00:11:22.560 --> 00:11:29.760 little salt that you add at the end to make it all kind of come together oh 00:11:27.079 --> 00:11:34.399 yeah otherwise it just looks too sharp and this is why 4K is so important for 00:11:32.079 --> 00:11:41.920 this because you actually have the pixel density on this display to use pixels as 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:48.839 individual phosphor colors I mean if you look at certain diagrams of how Shadow 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:51.959 mask versus aperture Grill worked uh 00:11:48.839 --> 00:11:54.399 this is basically it it was either a 00:11:51.959 --> 00:11:59.480 grill a vertical lines like this or it was like a a perforated plate we've had 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:04.079 Shadow mask before like even the Mis has Shadow MK but they've never been this 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:08.920 detailed because like you said it it we've never had 4K and you need that 00:12:06.079 --> 00:12:13.560 amount of pixel to be able to push that detail that you would see on a CRT HDR 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:17.880 is already on uh we can turn it off just so you can get an idea how much the 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:21.920 Retro ttin is designed for HDR displays when you add the scan lines in the mass 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:27.480 it adds a lot of black to the image and so it darkens it a ton and so without 00:12:23.680 --> 00:12:30.240 HDR becomes really really dark with HDR 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:35.839 it pops like a phosphor glowing at the front of a display but without it it's 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:41.639 but with the masks you get that it really does look like a phosphor glow I 00:12:38.920 --> 00:12:44.320 really liked on the 5x that it was kind of just plug andplay I never really 00:12:43.079 --> 00:12:49.360 thought too much about it I kind of said it once you know it works but the amount of fun I've had messing around with 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:53.480 these settings is insane it's been so fun one thing to mention before someone 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:59.440 in the comments does is the mister can do direct video where you get the actual 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:02.480 resolution of the game outputed 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:04.040 natively we could unplug and plug 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:07.680 directly into a retro tank but it won't work with our matrixes it's just not 00:13:06.040 --> 00:13:11.720 going to play nice direct video generally has bad compatibility this 00:13:09.560 --> 00:13:17.279 looks like you've got smoothing on yeah so that's basically what you don't like 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:18.959 it that's a yikes I like it I like so 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:23.760 there's a more sophisticated one you can get than than this it looks like one of 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:27.720 those cheap AI filters that you can apply to graphics and make it look like 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:31.120 a photo or painting or whatever it's a little more sophisticated than that but 00:13:29.560 --> 00:13:35.959 I I definitely understand why people don't like it there's no wrong options 00:13:32.920 --> 00:13:37.639 here except whatever they except that 00:13:35.959 --> 00:13:43.519 now I noticed there's an SD card but unlike the Mr fpga this is not a console 00:13:41.560 --> 00:13:49.440 so you're not keeping ROMs or anything on there no it's primarily for updating 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:51.320 the firmware uh as well as putting 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:55.040 profiles on it you can create profiles on the retrotink save them to the card 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:59.639 put them on a computer modify them but you can also download a ton online the 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:03.639 Retro Community is very active there's already a ton of people working on 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:08.079 getting kind of Ideal per console per game settings uh and then you can let 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:11.759 them do the work and enjoy the fruits of their labor and I don't have to think 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:16.680 about it yeah exactly or I could think about it a lot you like the retrotink 00:14:14.199 --> 00:14:24.240 more than even the CRT not even close yeah yeah no question it's so bright uh 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:25.800 the colors are so right blur artifacting 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:30.720 is a little bit annoying I'm hoping that maybe there can be like some filter 00:14:27.839 --> 00:14:33.560 that's added onto it to prevent that but most of the time when you're in a busy 00:14:31.959 --> 00:14:37.199 screen you don't see it I don't notice when I'm actually playing I only notice 00:14:35.040 --> 00:14:40.839 when I'm watching 100% they carefully kept me away from this area for the last 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:44.839 couple of weeks so I didn't get a chance to check this out before but now that I 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:50.839 have there's no question in my mind I would rather play on a modern OLED with 00:14:47.800 --> 00:14:53.079 these filters than on a CRT even if it 00:14:50.839 --> 00:14:56.959 was in its prime and literally none of them are anymore adding HDMI to the 00:14:55.199 --> 00:15:01.399 Retro tank might be the most meaningful upgrade over the 5X 00:14:59.959 --> 00:15:05.720 resolution matters a lot though too I don't know they're both really great but 00:15:03.959 --> 00:15:10.440 we haven't even seen its full capabilities let's test that Port even 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:16.120 further with an HDMI console that might not be retro but also isn't really 00:15:13.839 --> 00:15:22.680 properly modern given it not only can't hit 4K but can barely even do 1080p most 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:26.240 of the time the Nintendo switch now hold 00:15:22.680 --> 00:15:29.120 on a second is it doing some kind of SDR 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:34.720 to HDR tone mapping here it's seems to be doing that cuz this is yeah raw out 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:37.240 of the switch um but as it is now this 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:40.880 looks the that looks right that looks markedly better we can agree you 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:45.880 probably don't want to put like scan lines or mass or anything on a game like 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:50.000 this but what I was curious was is the scaling of the Retro tin better than 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:53.680 what the switch can do with in conjunction with a TV you can't really 00:15:51.800 --> 00:15:57.920 tell from this far back it looks basically the same but if you get up 00:15:55.800 --> 00:16:04.120 close and personal you can actually see that the Retro one will be a little bit 00:16:00.680 --> 00:16:06.839 sharper you know I don't think I'm a fan 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:13.920 you get an increase in sharpness using the Retro tank to scale but you also get 00:16:10.839 --> 00:16:15.240 a bit more stairs it depends what you're 00:16:13.920 --> 00:16:19.560 looking at this is one of those ones where I 00:16:17.680 --> 00:16:22.920 really don't think there's a right or a wrong 00:16:20.680 --> 00:16:28.839 answer I totally agree it's going to be a preference thing yeah like this is a 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:34.560 bit shimer in it's dealing with alas sing whereas this is a bit blurrier in 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:38.440 its dealing with aliasing and neither is desirable obviously it'd be great if 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:42.040 nintend just released a console that could run their flipping games at a 00:16:39.680 --> 00:16:46.440 decent resolution but I find this less distracting I wonder if part of it too 00:16:44.959 --> 00:16:49.800 is that we're sitting a little bit too close to these for how low res this 00:16:48.199 --> 00:16:55.720 content is that's totally and the smaller display with that pleasing 00:16:52.839 --> 00:17:01.040 blurriness the round pixels guys it makes a big 00:16:57.079 --> 00:17:04.679 difference makes this look not sharper 00:17:01.040 --> 00:17:07.400 obviously but more natural yeah like you 00:17:04.679 --> 00:17:12.079 can see that distant Tower see the aliasing as I'm moving back and forth oh 00:17:09.600 --> 00:17:16.400 yeah it's still there the CRT it's there but it's not so much less it's not 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:24.839 bothersome no you know what I can't say that I actually like the uh that kind of 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:28.000 jutter and that super super high motion 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:30.520 Clarity at 30 FPS it's not yeah it's a 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:33.600 little distracting that's totally fair that was probably the one slight 00:17:32.080 --> 00:17:39.280 disappointment of my experience with the Retro ttin is that it doesn't save 720p 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:43.080 gaming I thought it was going to maybe like bring it into the Next Generation 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:48.440 not quite like obviously that's a little bit excessive but it's more for under 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:51.000 720p yeah I think 40p is a big use case 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:56.600 and it does make 720p sharper but I did try gaming on the PS5 through the Retro 00:17:53.720 --> 00:18:01.600 ttin the retrotink can only handle 1080p so if you give it 4K it just won't work 00:17:58.760 --> 00:18:05.760 uh and if you send HDR through it it'll strip the HDR even if it tries to put it 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:10.120 back in after and it just loses all color looks terrible uh and so you want 00:18:07.840 --> 00:18:14.919 to send it 1080p SDR and then it can do its thing at the highest it's almost 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:19.640 like it was right in the name it's the Retro tank plug a modern console into it 00:18:17.600 --> 00:18:23.440 you're going to have a pretty bad time one thing we noticed regardless of the 00:18:21.320 --> 00:18:28.840 generation of console is the input latency or rather the lack of it we 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:34.799 measured the Retro tank in a variety of modes and we saw less than a millisecond 00:18:31.600 --> 00:18:37.520 in the 60 HZ mode and about 8 and 1 12 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:43.559 milliseconds in the 120 HZ mode which funnily enough ends up being almost 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:46.760 identical end to endend because 120 HZ 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:50.240 is about 8 milliseconds faster than 60 00:18:46.760 --> 00:18:52.360 HZ per refresh but wait a second did did 00:18:50.240 --> 00:19:01.960 we just gloss over the retr take 4K support for 120 htz in both 1080P and 00:18:57.159 --> 00:19:04.360 1440p well well we have it now it even 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:09.400 has support for variable refresh rate and support for black frame insertion 00:19:06.360 --> 00:19:12.760 for better motion Clarity so now there's 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:16.080 questions that we have to answer do we 00:19:12.760 --> 00:19:19.840 maximize our resolution with our scaler 00:19:16.080 --> 00:19:22.640 or do we go for higher refresh rates but 00:19:19.840 --> 00:19:27.240 at lower resolutions oh and that's why we're going to do Dreamcast and Neo now 00:19:25.080 --> 00:19:33.200 yes that looks much better to me than the than the switch did at 120 no 00:19:30.840 --> 00:19:38.200 question yeah like that looks totally great that looks awesome honestly I 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:43.799 don't even like this on the HD crrt yeah it doesn't look right it looks smear it 00:19:41.360 --> 00:19:49.840 looks like an LCD Yep this looks great it looks better than the CRT yeah the 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:53.320 real test honestly is just to put people in front of the four and then just see 00:19:52.080 --> 00:19:58.720 which one they're looking at cuz different games it's not purely ergonomic different games I have 100% 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:03.960 found myself looking at different displays yeah I think we're both just 00:20:02.080 --> 00:20:07.960 always looking at this one just not interested in looking at anything else 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:14.200 cuz it's still got that clean look like it doesn't look blurry at all but it 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:17.520 softens it and just just looks right 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:19.840 when my opponents go high I go low oh no 00:20:17.520 --> 00:20:25.760 oh no no no oh my goodness oh my goodness rude if 00:20:23.360 --> 00:20:30.000 your preference is absolute maximum motion Clarity then 120 HZ with with 00:20:28.320 --> 00:20:34.200 black frame insertion might be a good option for you but I think both David 00:20:32.760 --> 00:20:38.400 and I are aligned on that if you're planning to use CRT filters which 00:20:36.679 --> 00:20:42.480 hopefully you are because you just spent a lot of money on a device that is 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:47.679 solely designed for that then you're probably better off sticking with 4K The 00:20:44.679 --> 00:20:50.679 Mask details just look so much better at 00:20:47.679 --> 00:20:53.440 that higher resolution and there's no 00:20:50.679 --> 00:20:58.960 question this is the closest we've seen an OLED get to the look of his here te 00:20:55.679 --> 00:21:03.000 oh yeah did it ever occur to to us to 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:05.280 try it on the 8K OLED 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:13.679 no David I heard you have a challenge for me yes I do it's time to play CRT or 00:21:10.520 --> 00:21:15.440 wannabe oh okay uh basically I got macro 00:21:13.679 --> 00:21:21.400 shots of different screens playing the same game so this is OLED with a retro 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:23.919 tank versus the CRT and honestly I give me a sec give me a sec give I've 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:28.919 forgotten which one is which I think that's the OLED you are 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:32.799 incorrect I don't have a sense of the scale of these images which makes it a 00:21:31.080 --> 00:21:38.600 little bit tougher but the reason I chose that one was it seemed like the 00:21:35.600 --> 00:21:40.760 area in between the sub pixels was so 00:21:38.600 --> 00:21:46.039 black that it would have had to be like OLED black like a filter but 00:21:43.360 --> 00:21:51.440 then that's one of the advantages of CRT is that anywhere where the phosphor 00:21:47.840 --> 00:21:53.799 aren't glowing it's black 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:59.200 OLED yeah you're right that's that's the OLED that's the CRT say RT uh retro tank 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:05.120 oh okay OLED crap CRT okay now there's an HD CRT 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:10.520 in the mix so there's one CRT one retrotink one HDC the HD crrt is the 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:16.760 bottom middle cuz it looks so ra freaking obvious right so that would be 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:19.880 using aperture Grill yeah and it just 00:22:16.760 --> 00:22:23.000 looks so sharp and yet 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:25.279 so so BL delightfully blurred you know 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:33.000 it's I think the top right is the Retro tank no shoot no follow your gut no no 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:35.320 no it's the CRT yes you were right it's 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:40.080 got to be the real CRT on the left yes okay but what did we do to the Retro 00:22:37.159 --> 00:22:45.120 tank to make it look so weird here I maximized the filters when I said it to 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:48.799 like what looked best to my eye it was too clear it was a little too easy to 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:52.760 tell got it but then when I maximize everything then it's a little bit harder 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:57.120 to tell so that's not representative of the best case scenario for what a 00:22:54.919 --> 00:23:02.799 retrotink would look like if you dialed it in he's more just making me choose 00:23:00.120 --> 00:23:08.320 what is an actual display versus what is playing around with filters on it got it 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:12.919 this one's tough I think that's the Retro tank top right but it looks better 00:23:10.840 --> 00:23:18.440 yes you're right these pixels aren't real like the subpixel layout is not 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:23.200 real it's fake but it looks like a macro of a display at all which is I guess 00:23:20.360 --> 00:23:27.440 half the point here 100% if I hadn't already seen how good the Retro tank can 00:23:25.120 --> 00:23:35.520 look I would have been blown away even more by how close it got to emulating 00:23:31.520 --> 00:23:37.159 the look of a CRT but one way that CRTs 00:23:35.520 --> 00:23:42.640 have maintain the lead over modern displays is how they handle interlaced 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:47.440 resolution content now you may already know that interlaced simply means 00:23:44.840 --> 00:23:52.600 alternating between the odd and even horizontal lines of an image on each 00:23:49.679 --> 00:23:58.240 frame which is really difficult to do especially at non-native resolutions on 00:23:55.360 --> 00:24:03.480 a Modern Display but the Retro tank should help us compensate we've gone PS2 00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:07.559 then PS2 got award I chose it because you can turn on and off Progressive or 00:24:05.520 --> 00:24:11.919 interlaced uh that makes it a good test for how the de interlacing is on both 00:24:10.159 --> 00:24:16.600 retro tanks got it there's no question in my mind right now that the HD crrt 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:23.960 running through the Retro tank 5x looks the best here and it again comes down to 00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:26.320 that pleasing blurriness yeah but this 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:30.320 game in interlace mode could it look better here I definitely like the 00:24:28.399 --> 00:24:37.440 increased pop from being able to run that OLED in HDR mode that looks better 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:39.720 than the CRT no question okay so this is 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:44.360 Progressive it looks pretty good on all these things considering how old of a 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:49.240 game this is you can almost tell though 00:24:44.360 --> 00:24:51.559 that it's not quite right okay like the 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:57.919 the flames in the background though and like right the extra brightness on those 00:24:54.159 --> 00:25:00.080 the extra pop yeah I might take that 00:24:57.919 --> 00:25:05.080 over the softer looking lighting and like the sky I think is a 00:25:02.679 --> 00:25:09.000 perfect place to look where you get this vibrancy in the color on the OLED 00:25:07.120 --> 00:25:14.480 through the Retro tank you get this reduced banding almost in the appearance 00:25:11.919 --> 00:25:19.320 on the old CRT I think it's incredible that the Retro tank is within shooting 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:23.480 distance on something that the CRT has kicked ass at before and it makes it 00:25:21.520 --> 00:25:29.919 that like you really don't need a CRT anymore there's 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:32.200 still advantage even text yeah like a 00:25:29.919 --> 00:25:38.080 lot of the time text just looks like a big blocky ugly mess and then all of a 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:41.120 sudden you know you throw it on a CRT you're like oh yeah okay I guess it was 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:44.840 readable and they were just compensating for the display technology of the time 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:52.320 but it looks it looks right like that hit counter it looks right even up close 00:25:47.840 --> 00:25:55.960 dude it's really convincing yeah 00:25:52.320 --> 00:25:58.200 but these have their strengths too and I 00:25:55.960 --> 00:26:01.760 think the bottom line guys is that that no one setup is always going to be the 00:26:00.399 --> 00:26:06.080 best and there's going to be some subjectivity based on a billion 00:26:04.360 --> 00:26:11.679 different factors even things like the environment you're going to be sitting in David made a really good point 00:26:08.600 --> 00:26:13.279 earlier that this CRT is not at its 00:26:11.679 --> 00:26:18.679 blackest in the blacks because it's picking up some Reflections off of our 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:22.679 gray floor here and anti-glare glass has 00:26:18.679 --> 00:26:25.240 come a long way in the last 25 years the 00:26:22.679 --> 00:26:31.880 good news though is that for anyone but the purist of purists the retrotink 4K 00:26:29.320 --> 00:26:35.960 is going to get you so close that you probably won't miss your giant 200 lb 00:26:34.760 --> 00:26:41.440 tube TV there are still some challenges the 00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:48.039 newest OLED displays for example you might have been wondering why are we using a C1 and a C10 ah the new ones use 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:53.200 a different black frame insertion method that is less CRT like so you might have 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:57.960 to go and find an older one if you care about that which is going to dang it are 00:26:55.080 --> 00:27:02.559 we going to create another bloody in Gold brush but this time on older oleds 00:27:00.760 --> 00:27:06.720 or maybe not because you'll also be giving up some brightness compared to 00:27:04.520 --> 00:27:13.600 the very latest oleds but then again for the purists so has your CRT that's been 00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:16.279 sitting for a quarter of a century or so 00:27:13.600 --> 00:27:21.679 so maybe it's time to get with the times except it's going to cost you more than 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:26.200 just time the good news is you don't need any of the other stuff like that 00:27:23.919 --> 00:27:31.000 fancy HDMI Matrix all you need is the Retro Ting 4K 00:27:28.080 --> 00:27:34.760 the bad news is it's $750 that is so expensive that it makes 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:41.120 the $325 for the old 5x sound like an 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:43.760 absolute bargain but and yes I doing 00:27:41.120 --> 00:27:47.880 that again when you consider the costs associated with building this thing it 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:54.000 doesn't look that unreasonable anymore the Cyclone 5 fpga in here alone is 00:27:50.840 --> 00:27:56.240 listed for around $260 on Digi key and a 00:27:54.000 --> 00:28:01.000 full board with that processor is going to cost you upwards of ,000 000 which 00:27:58.840 --> 00:28:06.559 totally ignores the development costs of bringing something like this to life so 00:28:04.120 --> 00:28:11.000 it's not some madeup scam number and besides the existence of a new high-end 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:15.159 product doesn't make the more affordable or the older ones worse if anything it 00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:22.880 might hopefully put some downward pricing pressure on them in the long term and even now an ossc or a gbsc is 00:28:21.120 --> 00:28:27.760 more than enough for most people and that last one can be had for around $50 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:33.279 also the Retro tank 5x still a phenomenal scaler if you don't need HDMI 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:38.039 or that higher resolution but if you like what you saw and a lot of you 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:41.760 apparently do and you want 4K along with the improved CRT filters the extra IO 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:45.360 and quality of life things like the better remote we think this thing is 00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:49.640 super cool and we're going to have a link to where you can buy it down below 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:55.320 when it comes back in stock what we do have in stock though is 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:57.760 this segue to our sponsor grammarly here 00:28:55.320 --> 00:29:01.919 at lonus Media Group not everyone is a professional writer Some employees are 00:28:59.919 --> 00:29:06.399 normal but they don't have to let that hold them back thanks to grammarly their 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:10.360 generative AI assistance helps our business team write emails and 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