1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,879 CRT tube TVs have been Irrelevant for so 2 00:00:03,199 --> 00:00:11,759 long that I have people working for me who have never used one but in a lot of 3 00:00:08,719 --> 00:00:13,799 ways they are still number one I mean 4 00:00:11,759 --> 00:00:19,640 look at this little buddy right here zero latency Stellar motion Clarity and 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:26,039 Inky blacks not only that but look at the way its unique properties blend 6 00:00:22,119 --> 00:00:29,039 blocky ugly Sprites into art take a mere 7 00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:32,160 256 colors and turn them into a digital 8 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:36,440 rainbow just sucks they come in such 9 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:38,280 giant heavy package the wait a minute 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:45,520 that's not a CRT this is just an OLED in disguise 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,440 really convincing though what dark magic 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:52,960 is this retro tank 4K dark magic Hey look 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:58,600 it's that guy this is admittedly a pretty Niche product but I don't think I 14 00:00:55,399 --> 00:01:02,039 care if it gets views it's really cool 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:05,519 or at least on paper it is they claim 16 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:08,240 it's the best and most versatile retro 17 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:13,799 video game scaler to ever hit the market and after using it for a few weeks we're 18 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:16,640 left wondering is it finally time to 19 00:01:13,799 --> 00:01:20,680 stop hoarding these bad boys and stop hoarding all these messages we could 20 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:24,280 give you from our sponsor build Redux they make it a breeze to customize your 21 00:01:22,439 --> 00:01:28,079 own personalized build with support guides and a bunch of configuration 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:32,399 options just throw stuff in there put a power supply in there ah head to build 23 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:38,680 build ru.com Linus and start your new build today you may already know that a 24 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,960 scaler scales one input resolution to a 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:46,159 different usually higher output resolution but like with anything not 26 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:51,719 all scalers are created equal and this is most apparent when you watch your 27 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:54,759 modern TV struggle with older content 28 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:57,479 like the approximately 240 P that is 29 00:01:54,759 --> 00:02:02,280 coming out of this Sega Genesis and I mean I kind of get it why would TV 30 00:02:00,479 --> 00:02:08,440 manufacturers bother to invest in a feature that most people won't notice 31 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:11,680 but come on guys to show you just how 32 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:15,360 bad it is let's have a look at how a 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:18,080 $1,300 OLED TV fares using its internal 34 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:22,640 scaler against a random CRT that we got for 50 bucks on Facebook Marketplace hey 35 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:27,160 finally get a report yeah yeah okay we're good look at his face like that 36 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:31,760 looks like a picture almost like a TV feed from that era whereas that's just 37 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:35,160 like a mess of reddishness why did we leave that one stretched it's uh you 38 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:39,879 don't have much options when you use Little Boxes like this that's why you 39 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:45,159 were going off on this when we saw this during Adam's upgrade that one no this 40 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:49,560 entire video is just a slam dunk on this something you wouldn't expect the 41 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:55,120 scaler to affect based on its name is the color representation but it is 42 00:02:52,360 --> 00:03:00,040 amazing knowing that these are accurate displays how far off they are I mean the 43 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:04,959 ice is green yeah Brandon's even even calibrated these two so we can trust 44 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:10,760 that they're exactly right I don't notice any issues with input latency on 45 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:13,000 the CRT obviously it's lightning fast 46 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:19,239 but there's definitely a bit of leg on this top left one oh yeah we're going to 47 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:22,720 swap the direct one to a retro tank 48 00:03:19,239 --> 00:03:24,480 ooh oh wow I didn't realize how bad the 49 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:28,319 latency was on here because I just kind of compensated for it I think and then 50 00:03:26,519 --> 00:03:34,959 all of a sudden it's playable now the color is not matching 51 00:03:31,519 --> 00:03:38,400 our CRT at all it's very hard to match 52 00:03:34,959 --> 00:03:39,599 the CRT on every game we can mess with 53 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,879 it and that's one of the joys of the retrotink is that you can Tink with it 54 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:48,080 all day long there is so many settings that we can get into uh including color 55 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:52,159 correction and stuff whatever deficiencies or even just differences 56 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:58,680 that it might have in color though there is no question in my mind that it is a 57 00:03:54,760 --> 00:04:01,840 super clean image and yet it still looks 58 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:05,280 CRT this is just a quick and dirty mask 59 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:07,400 and filter that I've set up for this the 60 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:12,159 Genesis uh this is also kind of the worst case scenario for the Retro tank 61 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:15,720 Mike Chi the creator of retro tank likes composite image and there's kind of like 62 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:20,359 a a Mystique to the blurriness of composite but as a general rule 63 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:24,479 everything else is better and so the fact that it can make this look as 64 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:29,680 decent as it does is kind of incredible you got to get a a goal man I I don't 65 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:37,600 think I can I don't think I could score tying this game otherwise we 66 00:04:32,919 --> 00:04:39,560 Riot no no no oh they cut it cut cut 67 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:44,320 it's impossible to get everyone to agree on what looks best but I think what we 68 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:51,199 can all agree on is that both of the larger oleds looked awful and they feel 69 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:53,440 awful we measured about 45 milliseconds 70 00:04:51,199 --> 00:04:58,600 of added input latency when connecting a composite Source directly to the TV or 71 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:02,759 through that little piece of crap scaler for context the highest input latency 72 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:09,919 that we measured from the rest of the scalers that we're going to be talking about and showing today is one of that 73 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:14,000 there are a surprising number of options out there and many of them are excellent 74 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:19,720 but they have always had their compromises like no support for 4K so 75 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:26,759 the retrotink 4k's claim to fame is surprise surprise it's the world's first 76 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:29,120 4K scaler for retro games in our opinion 77 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:35,440 that's not even the best thing about it power a cyclone 5 series fpga the Retro 78 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:40,039 tank 4K has cuttingedge CRT phosphor emulation filters imperceptible 79 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:45,240 processing delay and it has some of the most robust io on a single consumer 80 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:51,840 device that we have ever seen it's powered by USBC which is really nice 81 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:53,520 it's got scar RCA and a brand new VGA 82 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:58,199 port which was missing from the previous Top Dog retrotink 5x and each of these 83 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:02,560 can handle a variety of analog video standards with inexpensive expensive 84 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:07,280 adapters Mike the Creator retro tank even added extra composite and S video 85 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:11,599 to the front which means you don't have to share your RCA jacks between your 86 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:15,759 component and your composite anymore it's got toss link as well as a 3 and 87 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:20,759 half mm audio jack here which can be assigned to any of your video inputs 88 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:28,039 it's got an HDMI output to go to your TV and what's this an HDMI input now why 89 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:33,759 you might ask would a retro gamer need an HDMI input put well not to make you 90 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:41,120 feel old or anything but the PS3 with its HDMI output came out 17 years ago 91 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:46,319 not only that but we've also seen an increase in HDMI equipped older consoles 92 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:51,319 some of these are coming in the form of mini re-releases some are thirdparty 93 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:56,840 Recreations and some are just aftermarket mods to original consoles 94 00:06:54,080 --> 00:07:02,960 the bottom line here is HDMI is the standard and it unlocks a lot of of new 95 00:07:00,039 --> 00:07:09,360 possibilities like pairing up your retro tank with a Mr fpga for the ultimate in 96 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:14,599 Retro Gaming goodness I'm about to try it probably cry a little bit but first I 97 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:21,160 actually want to show off our retro battle station here it might not look like much from this side but this 98 00:07:18,479 --> 00:07:27,599 monster is capable of playing any of our systems simultaneously across four TVs 99 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:32,400 without any loss in image quality and a big part of that is thanks to this guy 100 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:39,759 when we told AV Pro Edge what we were trying to do they sent over this 101 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:43,360 ludicrously overpowered 8K HDR 8 input 8 102 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:45,319 output HDMI Matrix switcher huge thank 103 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:49,039 you to those guys and I'd love to talk about all the other little pieces that 104 00:07:46,759 --> 00:07:52,879 we have going on here but it gets pretty in the weed so instead we're going to 105 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:58,879 have a Floatplane exclusive where David is going to walk you through the whole 106 00:07:54,400 --> 00:08:00,360 setup uh LMG g/f Floatplane for now 107 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:04,120 let's game this is the part of the video where if you're anything like me you're 108 00:08:01,919 --> 00:08:09,400 going to fall deeply in love with the Retro tank when you have a chance to 109 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:15,440 customize your mass and all the settings to your preference you'll start to see 110 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:19,280 how powerful this thing really is this is how I set it for my own eyes and what 111 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:23,360 I found with people kind of walking around and giving their perspective is 112 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:27,199 people have very different preferences to me this looks so much better than the 113 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:34,039 raw Mister but some people like that Pixel Perfect Look but no right it looks 114 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,919 so much better this has that TV look 115 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:40,320 that looks awesome looks great why would I ever even look at these and you can 116 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:46,320 really see the age of these CRTs and some of the 117 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:48,360 just off highlights like the the red hat 118 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:54,959 yeah I can't even see any of the detail in it but this is clean yeah but also 119 00:08:52,040 --> 00:09:00,480 still has that CRT look to it it's a tragedy that CRTs are just gonna kind of 120 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:05,240 fade away and they're going to only get worse and worse uh every time they're 121 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:10,519 used and it's kind of nice to know that we're finally getting to the point with 122 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:12,200 scalers where we don't have to be sad 123 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:17,160 yeah we don't have to be sad well I mean the fact that you just want to keep playing on this screen like you you 124 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:21,560 don't even look at the CRTs is a good sign no there's no reason to look at 125 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:25,920 them like this is just freaking awesome and what I find is so nice with modern 126 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:29,880 devices is just the consistency I know when I turn it on it's going to be good 127 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:33,839 with that cheap CRT every time I came back to it it would 128 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:37,360 look different sometimes it would have like scan lines going up sometimes it 129 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:43,120 would be like the capacitors are going right now it's a little flickery it's actually doing pretty good um but it's 130 00:09:41,079 --> 00:09:47,519 like the temperature you know the way I look at it it changes what that image is 131 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:51,720 going to look like whereas every time I turn on a retro ttin in this OLED it's 132 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:55,839 going to look exactly how I set it holy I have never gotten all five in my 133 00:09:53,399 --> 00:09:55,839 entire 134 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:05,000 life no way am I supposed the script is just 135 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:13,079 rolling we're just we're going completely off script here boys well here's the 4K remote versus the 5x 136 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:17,160 remote so they did a remote this time they did a remote this time it's 137 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:22,560 actually so useful I could just be like n dog how about 1080p well it's actually 138 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:27,880 well that doesn't look great but it's kind of a huge deal when I first got my 139 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:34,120 retro ttin 5x it was defaulting to 1440p but had a TV that didn't accept 140 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:37,200 1440p image and so it like would come in 141 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:39,120 a one frame every like 3 seconds so this 142 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:42,600 would have saved you just one button press boom that's just through the 143 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:49,519 mister without the that's just the Mis yeah so it's got that super super clean 144 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:51,440 sharp I mean honestly yeah sure I could 145 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:54,839 play on that too yeah but it doesn't look like a CRT so we don't need to 146 00:10:53,600 --> 00:11:01,360 change the input although we could look at it the profile right now it's my like 147 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:02,760 Mr profile that I kind of quickly set um 148 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:08,320 the ones where I would start where it's the most fun is the image processing M 149 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:12,120 so there's a scan line and a mask the scale line it's emulating scal lines but 150 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:17,000 there's quite a bit of control within it uh The Masks are like that simulation of 151 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:21,000 you know the the aperture Grill and the phosphor lights kind of interacting and 152 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:24,880 then there's a horizontal blur which I think is actually kind of like the the 153 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:29,760 little salt that you add at the end to make it all kind of come together oh 154 00:11:27,079 --> 00:11:34,399 yeah otherwise it just looks too sharp and this is why 4K is so important for 155 00:11:32,079 --> 00:11:41,920 this because you actually have the pixel density on this display to use pixels as 156 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:48,839 individual phosphor colors I mean if you look at certain diagrams of how Shadow 157 00:11:44,639 --> 00:11:51,959 mask versus aperture Grill worked uh 158 00:11:48,839 --> 00:11:54,399 this is basically it it was either a 159 00:11:51,959 --> 00:11:59,480 grill a vertical lines like this or it was like a a perforated plate we've had 160 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:04,079 Shadow mask before like even the Mis has Shadow MK but they've never been this 161 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:08,920 detailed because like you said it it we've never had 4K and you need that 162 00:12:06,079 --> 00:12:13,560 amount of pixel to be able to push that detail that you would see on a CRT HDR 163 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:17,880 is already on uh we can turn it off just so you can get an idea how much the 164 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:21,920 Retro ttin is designed for HDR displays when you add the scan lines in the mass 165 00:12:19,399 --> 00:12:27,480 it adds a lot of black to the image and so it darkens it a ton and so without 166 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:30,240 HDR becomes really really dark with HDR 167 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:35,839 it pops like a phosphor glowing at the front of a display but without it it's 168 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:41,639 but with the masks you get that it really does look like a phosphor glow I 169 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:44,320 really liked on the 5x that it was kind of just plug andplay I never really 170 00:12:43,079 --> 00:12:49,360 thought too much about it I kind of said it once you know it works but the amount of fun I've had messing around with 171 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:53,480 these settings is insane it's been so fun one thing to mention before someone 172 00:12:51,399 --> 00:12:59,440 in the comments does is the mister can do direct video where you get the actual 173 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:02,480 resolution of the game outputed 174 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:04,040 natively we could unplug and plug 175 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,680 directly into a retro tank but it won't work with our matrixes it's just not 176 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:11,720 going to play nice direct video generally has bad compatibility this 177 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:17,279 looks like you've got smoothing on yeah so that's basically what you don't like 178 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:18,959 it that's a yikes I like it I like so 179 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:23,760 there's a more sophisticated one you can get than than this it looks like one of 180 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:27,720 those cheap AI filters that you can apply to graphics and make it look like 181 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:31,120 a photo or painting or whatever it's a little more sophisticated than that but 182 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:35,959 I I definitely understand why people don't like it there's no wrong options 183 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,639 here except whatever they except that 184 00:13:35,959 --> 00:13:43,519 now I noticed there's an SD card but unlike the Mr fpga this is not a console 185 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:49,440 so you're not keeping ROMs or anything on there no it's primarily for updating 186 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:51,320 the firmware uh as well as putting 187 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:55,040 profiles on it you can create profiles on the retrotink save them to the card 188 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:59,639 put them on a computer modify them but you can also download a ton online the 189 00:13:57,759 --> 00:14:03,639 Retro Community is very active there's already a ton of people working on 190 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:08,079 getting kind of Ideal per console per game settings uh and then you can let 191 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,759 them do the work and enjoy the fruits of their labor and I don't have to think 192 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:16,680 about it yeah exactly or I could think about it a lot you like the retrotink 193 00:14:14,199 --> 00:14:24,240 more than even the CRT not even close yeah yeah no question it's so bright uh 194 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:25,800 the colors are so right blur artifacting 195 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:30,720 is a little bit annoying I'm hoping that maybe there can be like some filter 196 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:33,560 that's added onto it to prevent that but most of the time when you're in a busy 197 00:14:31,959 --> 00:14:37,199 screen you don't see it I don't notice when I'm actually playing I only notice 198 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:40,839 when I'm watching 100% they carefully kept me away from this area for the last 199 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,839 couple of weeks so I didn't get a chance to check this out before but now that I 200 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:50,839 have there's no question in my mind I would rather play on a modern OLED with 201 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:53,079 these filters than on a CRT even if it 202 00:14:50,839 --> 00:14:56,959 was in its prime and literally none of them are anymore adding HDMI to the 203 00:14:55,199 --> 00:15:01,399 Retro tank might be the most meaningful upgrade over the 5X 204 00:14:59,959 --> 00:15:05,720 resolution matters a lot though too I don't know they're both really great but 205 00:15:03,959 --> 00:15:10,440 we haven't even seen its full capabilities let's test that Port even 206 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:16,120 further with an HDMI console that might not be retro but also isn't really 207 00:15:13,839 --> 00:15:22,680 properly modern given it not only can't hit 4K but can barely even do 1080p most 208 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:26,240 of the time the Nintendo switch now hold 209 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:29,120 on a second is it doing some kind of SDR 210 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:34,720 to HDR tone mapping here it's seems to be doing that cuz this is yeah raw out 211 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:37,240 of the switch um but as it is now this 212 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:40,880 looks the that looks right that looks markedly better we can agree you 213 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:45,880 probably don't want to put like scan lines or mass or anything on a game like 214 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:50,000 this but what I was curious was is the scaling of the Retro tin better than 215 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:53,680 what the switch can do with in conjunction with a TV you can't really 216 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:57,920 tell from this far back it looks basically the same but if you get up 217 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:04,120 close and personal you can actually see that the Retro one will be a little bit 218 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:06,839 sharper you know I don't think I'm a fan 219 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:13,920 you get an increase in sharpness using the Retro tank to scale but you also get 220 00:16:10,839 --> 00:16:15,240 a bit more stairs it depends what you're 221 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:19,560 looking at this is one of those ones where I 222 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,920 really don't think there's a right or a wrong 223 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:28,839 answer I totally agree it's going to be a preference thing yeah like this is a 224 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:34,560 bit shimer in it's dealing with alas sing whereas this is a bit blurrier in 225 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:38,440 its dealing with aliasing and neither is desirable obviously it'd be great if 226 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:42,040 nintend just released a console that could run their flipping games at a 227 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:46,440 decent resolution but I find this less distracting I wonder if part of it too 228 00:16:44,959 --> 00:16:49,800 is that we're sitting a little bit too close to these for how low res this 229 00:16:48,199 --> 00:16:55,720 content is that's totally and the smaller display with that pleasing 230 00:16:52,839 --> 00:17:01,040 blurriness the round pixels guys it makes a big 231 00:16:57,079 --> 00:17:04,679 difference makes this look not sharper 232 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:07,400 obviously but more natural yeah like you 233 00:17:04,679 --> 00:17:12,079 can see that distant Tower see the aliasing as I'm moving back and forth oh 234 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:16,400 yeah it's still there the CRT it's there but it's not so much less it's not 235 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:24,839 bothersome no you know what I can't say that I actually like the uh that kind of 236 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:28,000 jutter and that super super high motion 237 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:30,520 Clarity at 30 FPS it's not yeah it's a 238 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,600 little distracting that's totally fair that was probably the one slight 239 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:39,280 disappointment of my experience with the Retro ttin is that it doesn't save 720p 240 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:43,080 gaming I thought it was going to maybe like bring it into the Next Generation 241 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:48,440 not quite like obviously that's a little bit excessive but it's more for under 242 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:51,000 720p yeah I think 40p is a big use case 243 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:56,600 and it does make 720p sharper but I did try gaming on the PS5 through the Retro 244 00:17:53,720 --> 00:18:01,600 ttin the retrotink can only handle 1080p so if you give it 4K it just won't work 245 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:05,760 uh and if you send HDR through it it'll strip the HDR even if it tries to put it 246 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:10,120 back in after and it just loses all color looks terrible uh and so you want 247 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:14,919 to send it 1080p SDR and then it can do its thing at the highest it's almost 248 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:19,640 like it was right in the name it's the Retro tank plug a modern console into it 249 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:23,440 you're going to have a pretty bad time one thing we noticed regardless of the 250 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:28,840 generation of console is the input latency or rather the lack of it we 251 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:34,799 measured the Retro tank in a variety of modes and we saw less than a millisecond 252 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:37,520 in the 60 HZ mode and about 8 and 1 12 253 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:43,559 milliseconds in the 120 HZ mode which funnily enough ends up being almost 254 00:18:39,799 --> 00:18:46,760 identical end to endend because 120 HZ 255 00:18:43,559 --> 00:18:50,240 is about 8 milliseconds faster than 60 256 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:52,360 HZ per refresh but wait a second did did 257 00:18:50,240 --> 00:19:01,960 we just gloss over the retr take 4K support for 120 htz in both 1080P and 258 00:18:57,159 --> 00:19:04,360 1440p well well we have it now it even 259 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:09,400 has support for variable refresh rate and support for black frame insertion 260 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:12,760 for better motion Clarity so now there's 261 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:16,080 questions that we have to answer do we 262 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:19,840 maximize our resolution with our scaler 263 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:22,640 or do we go for higher refresh rates but 264 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:27,240 at lower resolutions oh and that's why we're going to do Dreamcast and Neo now 265 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:33,200 yes that looks much better to me than the than the switch did at 120 no 266 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:38,200 question yeah like that looks totally great that looks awesome honestly I 267 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:43,799 don't even like this on the HD crrt yeah it doesn't look right it looks smear it 268 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:49,840 looks like an LCD Yep this looks great it looks better than the CRT yeah the 269 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:53,320 real test honestly is just to put people in front of the four and then just see 270 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:58,720 which one they're looking at cuz different games it's not purely ergonomic different games I have 100% 271 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,960 found myself looking at different displays yeah I think we're both just 272 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:07,960 always looking at this one just not interested in looking at anything else 273 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:14,200 cuz it's still got that clean look like it doesn't look blurry at all but it 274 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:17,520 softens it and just just looks right 275 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:19,840 when my opponents go high I go low oh no 276 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:25,760 oh no no no oh my goodness oh my goodness rude if 277 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:30,000 your preference is absolute maximum motion Clarity then 120 HZ with with 278 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:34,200 black frame insertion might be a good option for you but I think both David 279 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:38,400 and I are aligned on that if you're planning to use CRT filters which 280 00:20:36,679 --> 00:20:42,480 hopefully you are because you just spent a lot of money on a device that is 281 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:47,679 solely designed for that then you're probably better off sticking with 4K The 282 00:20:44,679 --> 00:20:50,679 Mask details just look so much better at 283 00:20:47,679 --> 00:20:53,440 that higher resolution and there's no 284 00:20:50,679 --> 00:20:58,960 question this is the closest we've seen an OLED get to the look of his here te 285 00:20:55,679 --> 00:21:03,000 oh yeah did it ever occur to to us to 286 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:05,280 try it on the 8K OLED 287 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:13,679 no David I heard you have a challenge for me yes I do it's time to play CRT or 288 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,440 wannabe oh okay uh basically I got macro 289 00:21:13,679 --> 00:21:21,400 shots of different screens playing the same game so this is OLED with a retro 290 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:23,919 tank versus the CRT and honestly I give me a sec give me a sec give I've 291 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:28,919 forgotten which one is which I think that's the OLED you are 292 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:32,799 incorrect I don't have a sense of the scale of these images which makes it a 293 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:38,600 little bit tougher but the reason I chose that one was it seemed like the 294 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,760 area in between the sub pixels was so 295 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:46,039 black that it would have had to be like OLED black like a filter but 296 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:51,440 then that's one of the advantages of CRT is that anywhere where the phosphor 297 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:53,799 aren't glowing it's black 298 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:59,200 OLED yeah you're right that's that's the OLED that's the CRT say RT uh retro tank 299 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:05,120 oh okay OLED crap CRT okay now there's an HD CRT 300 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:10,520 in the mix so there's one CRT one retrotink one HDC the HD crrt is the 301 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:16,760 bottom middle cuz it looks so ra freaking obvious right so that would be 302 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:19,880 using aperture Grill yeah and it just 303 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:23,000 looks so sharp and yet 304 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:25,279 so so BL delightfully blurred you know 305 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:33,000 it's I think the top right is the Retro tank no shoot no follow your gut no no 306 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:35,320 no it's the CRT yes you were right it's 307 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:40,080 got to be the real CRT on the left yes okay but what did we do to the Retro 308 00:22:37,159 --> 00:22:45,120 tank to make it look so weird here I maximized the filters when I said it to 309 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:48,799 like what looked best to my eye it was too clear it was a little too easy to 310 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:52,760 tell got it but then when I maximize everything then it's a little bit harder 311 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:57,120 to tell so that's not representative of the best case scenario for what a 312 00:22:54,919 --> 00:23:02,799 retrotink would look like if you dialed it in he's more just making me choose 313 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:08,320 what is an actual display versus what is playing around with filters on it got it 314 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:12,919 this one's tough I think that's the Retro tank top right but it looks better 315 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:18,440 yes you're right these pixels aren't real like the subpixel layout is not 316 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:23,200 real it's fake but it looks like a macro of a display at all which is I guess 317 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:27,440 half the point here 100% if I hadn't already seen how good the Retro tank can 318 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:35,520 look I would have been blown away even more by how close it got to emulating 319 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:37,159 the look of a CRT but one way that CRTs 320 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:42,640 have maintain the lead over modern displays is how they handle interlaced 321 00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:47,440 resolution content now you may already know that interlaced simply means 322 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:52,600 alternating between the odd and even horizontal lines of an image on each 323 00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:58,240 frame which is really difficult to do especially at non-native resolutions on 324 00:23:55,360 --> 00:24:03,480 a Modern Display but the Retro tank should help us compensate we've gone PS2 325 00:24:01,279 --> 00:24:07,559 then PS2 got award I chose it because you can turn on and off Progressive or 326 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:11,919 interlaced uh that makes it a good test for how the de interlacing is on both 327 00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:16,600 retro tanks got it there's no question in my mind right now that the HD crrt 328 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:23,960 running through the Retro tank 5x looks the best here and it again comes down to 329 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:26,320 that pleasing blurriness yeah but this 330 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:30,320 game in interlace mode could it look better here I definitely like the 331 00:24:28,399 --> 00:24:37,440 increased pop from being able to run that OLED in HDR mode that looks better 332 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:39,720 than the CRT no question okay so this is 333 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:44,360 Progressive it looks pretty good on all these things considering how old of a 334 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:49,240 game this is you can almost tell though 335 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:51,559 that it's not quite right okay like the 336 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:57,919 the flames in the background though and like right the extra brightness on those 337 00:24:54,159 --> 00:25:00,080 the extra pop yeah I might take that 338 00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:05,080 over the softer looking lighting and like the sky I think is a 339 00:25:02,679 --> 00:25:09,000 perfect place to look where you get this vibrancy in the color on the OLED 340 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:14,480 through the Retro tank you get this reduced banding almost in the appearance 341 00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:19,320 on the old CRT I think it's incredible that the Retro tank is within shooting 342 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:23,480 distance on something that the CRT has kicked ass at before and it makes it 343 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:29,919 that like you really don't need a CRT anymore there's 344 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:32,200 still advantage even text yeah like a 345 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:38,080 lot of the time text just looks like a big blocky ugly mess and then all of a 346 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:41,120 sudden you know you throw it on a CRT you're like oh yeah okay I guess it was 347 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,840 readable and they were just compensating for the display technology of the time 348 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:52,320 but it looks it looks right like that hit counter it looks right even up close 349 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:55,960 dude it's really convincing yeah 350 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:58,200 but these have their strengths too and I 351 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:01,760 think the bottom line guys is that that no one setup is always going to be the 352 00:26:00,399 --> 00:26:06,080 best and there's going to be some subjectivity based on a billion 353 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:11,679 different factors even things like the environment you're going to be sitting in David made a really good point 354 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,279 earlier that this CRT is not at its 355 00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:18,679 blackest in the blacks because it's picking up some Reflections off of our 356 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:22,679 gray floor here and anti-glare glass has 357 00:26:18,679 --> 00:26:25,240 come a long way in the last 25 years the 358 00:26:22,679 --> 00:26:31,880 good news though is that for anyone but the purist of purists the retrotink 4K 359 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:35,960 is going to get you so close that you probably won't miss your giant 200 lb 360 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:41,440 tube TV there are still some challenges the 361 00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:48,039 newest OLED displays for example you might have been wondering why are we using a C1 and a C10 ah the new ones use 362 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:53,200 a different black frame insertion method that is less CRT like so you might have 363 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:57,960 to go and find an older one if you care about that which is going to dang it are 364 00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:02,559 we going to create another bloody in Gold brush but this time on older oleds 365 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:06,720 or maybe not because you'll also be giving up some brightness compared to 366 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:13,600 the very latest oleds but then again for the purists so has your CRT that's been 367 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:16,279 sitting for a quarter of a century or so 368 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:21,679 so maybe it's time to get with the times except it's going to cost you more than 369 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:26,200 just time the good news is you don't need any of the other stuff like that 370 00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:31,000 fancy HDMI Matrix all you need is the Retro Ting 4K 371 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:34,760 the bad news is it's $750 that is so expensive that it makes 372 00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:41,120 the $325 for the old 5x sound like an 373 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:43,760 absolute bargain but and yes I doing 374 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:47,880 that again when you consider the costs associated with building this thing it 375 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:54,000 doesn't look that unreasonable anymore the Cyclone 5 fpga in here alone is 376 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:56,240 listed for around $260 on Digi key and a 377 00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:01,000 full board with that processor is going to cost you upwards of ,000 000 which 378 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:06,559 totally ignores the development costs of bringing something like this to life so 379 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:11,000 it's not some madeup scam number and besides the existence of a new high-end 380 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:15,159 product doesn't make the more affordable or the older ones worse if anything it 381 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:22,880 might hopefully put some downward pricing pressure on them in the long term and even now an ossc or a gbsc is 382 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:27,760 more than enough for most people and that last one can be had for around $50 383 00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:33,279 also the Retro tank 5x still a phenomenal scaler if you don't need HDMI 384 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:38,039 or that higher resolution but if you like what you saw and a lot of you 385 00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:41,760 apparently do and you want 4K along with the improved CRT filters the extra IO 386 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,360 and quality of life things like the better remote we think this thing is 387 00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:49,640 super cool and we're going to have a link to where you can buy it down 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