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I love gaming in my theater room but despite all the marketing from Sony Xbox

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AMD NVIDIA when it comes to high refresh rate and reasonable settings 4K is still

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tough to run part of my problem is that I skipped NVIDIA's 40 series so in the

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leadup to the 590 launch I said both plof and I went on the record if all the

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rumors are true we are buying one as someone with a monitor I wanted even

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more performance than I'm getting from my 490 on the subject of monitors MSI

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sponsored this video with their new MPG 272 urx a 27in 4K 240 HZ gaming display

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and the premise is simple we're going to build a top-of-the-line gaming PC do a

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little ad hoc testing with the RTX 590 and when we're done each of us has to

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cancel our pre-order or pull the trigger

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on a $2900 Canadian doll gaming doohickey

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plus tax but here's the thing why is

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this decision so complicated I mean whether you think the price is Justified

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or not the 5090 is clearly at the top of the charts but the issue is that I don't

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play any of those games that we tested do you not really we choose our

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benchmarks to paint a well-rounded picture of performance not to try to

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cover every popular game well today we changed that not only did the lab get us

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Benchmark numbers for all of the games in our suite including many you didn't

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see in the review but we're going to throw in random titles that I want to

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play that he wants to play and that you want to see us play all at

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4K big moment plugging it in considering this graphics card cost

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$2,000 setting it to anything other than high or very high it just feels bad man

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but Counterpoint considering that this GPU costs

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$2,000 getting low frame rates feels pretty bad man and so do is lowering the

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resolution dlss might have come a long way and reflex 2 might fix some of our

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latency issues with frame gen but reflex 2 ain't out yet is it sure isn't and it

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won't do anything about the artifacting and general weirdness that we did still

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find noticeable in our 8K gaming video that's especially true when the monitor

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you happen to own I also own a monitor is like 115 in so the way that I see it

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dlss is on the menu but if I'm spending

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this much on a GPU you I don't want to generate frames I want to render frames

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as for an FPS Target okay my theater display is 120 HZ is that too much to

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ask not for $2,000 especially when most modern mid-tier or high tier TVs start

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at 120 HZ refresh rate and some monitors

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can do more both our Monitor and our GPU

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today support DisplayPort 2.1 ubr2 it

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runs it up to 80 gb per second meaning 4K 240 Herz can be done now with no

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display stream compression I have not actually experienced this yet so I can't

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wait that's a pretty monitor who she's sharp dude let's start

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with a game that really benefits from a high resolution display and that really

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punishes your system at higher detail levels and higher view distances wow

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that is smooth I have never seen this game look

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this smooth really oh dude yeah your 1%

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lows they go as low as like 50 well 40

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but depending on what you're looking at it's pretty reasonable oh 100% look it's

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a really well optimized game like you can run it on Intel integrated Graphics

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that was one of their targets when they developed it yeah but that would be at

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low and once you start pushing it up to higher details and higher resolutions it

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is an extremely punishing game because there is so much detail there's a ton

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going on we're one game in and I'm already

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like you're making a much bigger upgrade

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than I am cuz I could probably run ano at home 4K maybe not quite those

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settings and still get pretty good FPS that's true 4090 is strong it's a great

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card yeah 3080 is also strong but old a

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little dated what's next Halo this is running amazingly it really is I have it

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absolutely cranked yep 4K Ultra

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everything rate tracing on for a competitive shooter it's a great looking

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game in any configuration maxed out it's

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gorgeous but how many of the games that you play are this demanding well okay I

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got to be honest with you probably 90% of my gaming time right now is in an

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indie hockey Rogue light called tape to tape yeah it's great but it isn't

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demanding it's really not but I do need to see how it runs how many FPS we get

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in here 47 two FPS let's go you think

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you can win with 400 FPS I think I could win with 400 FPS yeah I think you need a

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th000 no it's way too far away oh I got

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it nice dang it enough of my games though want to take the driver's seat

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sure I've got four games three of which were actually mentioned by our community

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as well ff7 rebirth stalker 2 and path

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of XL 2 I'm actively playing all three of those and then a fourth one came out

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today today Kingdom Come Deliverance 2

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wait that's the one the recommended system requirements for 4K 30 is a 4080

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that's right let's start with Final Fantasy

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sure at home I'm typically getting in

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gungaga Village or other towns about the 120 cap and then it goes down to 1% of

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like 50 60 I you know this doesn't look

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that different it doesn't look that different this actually looks about the

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same as what I'm getting on my 4090 so I don't know if it's just bottlenecked by

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the FPS cap or what but I gotta

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say this is actually another point in my 409s favor

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cuz this is what I'm playing right now and this

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is about the same I was really hoping for those 1% lows to be a bit more

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stable yeah that's one out of four and I

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got to say I'm I don't have any reason right now to upgrade go ahead and start

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your next game all right next up stalker 2 heart of Chernobyl this game came out

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a little later last year and it is hard

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to run I get close to like 60 or 80

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averages and my 1% are bad though

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whereas right so right now you're using dlss to get it to run it all which I

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know you don't like to do so yeah I prefer turning it off and uh I'm getting

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numbers better than I normally get with dlss on

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not much but we're getting like 90 855

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average with this looks very playable this is very playable 1% are like they

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do go down to 50 or so but they're usually around 60 I do Wonder though how

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much of that is the 9800 x3d we have in here and how much of it's the GPU yeah

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cuz a whole platform upgrade would be cheaper than upgrading your GPU and we

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were talking off camera about how he just convinced one of his friends to

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upgrade their monitor rather than buy a 5090 because there's other things you

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can do to make your games run better other than just buying a new GPU yeah or

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at least look prettier it's just that he already has like sick everything else

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so I was really hoping for it to work a

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little worse than this you're like the

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one guy I can think of who looks at the new product he's planning to buy and is

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like oh I really hope it sucks yeah it's

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expensive okay let's see how much dlss

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helps triple digits with 1% just hit

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Triple digit oh they're usually like 80 90 okay all right well it's markedly

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improved next up is path of XL2 while we

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comfortable I normally get like 90 to

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150 FPS average I mean that's what that's a huge range it's a huge range I

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know uh I've actually been trying their new controller support it's actually

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pretty good it's frustrating to me because it runs well except when it

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doesn't uh and sometimes I see major dips below triple digits in maps so it

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does get even worse than that okay it's all over the place just like it normally

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is but I'm seeing instead of 90250 we're

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seeing like 212 down to like 175 and

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it's doing exactly what I wanted no my triple digits I'm still seeing okay

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we're we're still getting stutters every now and then but that's kind of just the game um does it feel different it

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doesn't feel that much different but it's hard for me seeing those numbers

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like I'm seeing 1% of like2 okay don't look at the numbers don't look at the

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numbers how does it feel it feels good

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but it felt good before do I want it to feel good or do I want to pay that much

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money to make it feel good oh man I I

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I'm going to put this one as another win for the

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5090 okay all right then last but not least

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Kingdom Come Deliverance to sorry I keep leaning into the frame cuz I'm like I

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know I know five layer tandem OLED panel

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boys sure looks pretty it really does in

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any game and MSI has asked us to point

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out that you can make your whole desk look pretty too with Windows Dynamic

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lighting certification that syncs lighting effects across multiple devices

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I know this is the start of the game and it might get a little harder to run later once we're in a forest but 140

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average and like 130 1% lows 120 I don't

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know how badly it's going to make my 4090 cry but I do know that if I go home now

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and I boot this up and I'm getting less

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than 100 in your 1% low less than 100 in my 1% lows or even in

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averages I'm going to be real upset now that I've seen this you are such a de

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I'm going to be real upset you know that right I know but I just want it to look

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good we're seeing the odd dip yeah I can

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deal with that it's it's almost impossible to fully fix random hitching

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especially in new games oh but I mean look I'm fighting people and I'm getting

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like 120 130 FPS y i man okay now it's

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time for us to look at some Community picks first up Indiana Jones at 8K this

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ran surprisingly well oh man 140 150 130 FPS average man

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this is such a goodl looking game yeah it really is those 1% are Rock Solid

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above 60 they're like 80 to 110 I would turn it up yeah let's do it I don't need

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120 FPS in a more cinematic exploratory game like

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this go up one notch cuz path tracing is demanding ooh turn on indirect

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illumination though sure oh that's full RT I don't think she's going to do this

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you've got like a solid 60 70 FPS average I wouldn't play it like this no

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no I mean move the mouse yeah that feels bad yeah I

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wouldn't play like this okay fair enough what if the dlss was turned on we can

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try it 120 115 FPS average 1% are like

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70 85 yeah we're only on we're on quality too so overall usually when you

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have it set to Quality it looks pretty darn good it really does just buy a 5090

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you you can't tell people that just buy it's easy it's so cheap it's

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so you want your games to run good don't you just spend two $2,000 on a graphics

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card that's more than what most people spend on their computers when you're on

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your deathbed do you want to look back and think of how many FPS you could have

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had if you just that was so cringe dude it's a

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reference this monitor may only be Vasa true black 400 certified but it can also

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reach up to a thousand nits and it can do that without issue because msi's got

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their OLED care 2.0 to help reduce the risk of image retention and if it does

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happen they've got a three-year warranty that covers that specifically time for

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flight Sim 2024 37 FPS average 3 1% lows

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yeah okay it's hitching every now and

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then which kind of sucks like I'm seeing 1% of literally four like single digit

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1% but you know the rest of it pretty okay should we turn on dlss you know

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we're not getting that much more uh frames per second though with dlss on no

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it went up to a solid 45 instead of 33 or so it's got 40 FPS 1% are like 30

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plus and the hitching is bad though it really

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kind of we have to turn this down yeah okay let's do that let's turn it from

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Ultra to one set under so we're getting closer to 60 averages 1% of like 45 this

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feels a lot better already though this is incredible the density is so high you

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don't dud this looks so good you don't need flight Sim to run at 200 frames a

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second no it's a slow and steady game the stutters they do happen sometimes

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worse than others especially here with all these like City talking about it

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did but you know they go away and then it's like it's smooth sailing again

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flying well it's flying is just sailing in the in the sky time for a very

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demanding game Star Citizen deal say

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well it's just off so whatever HDR sure it's enabled blah blah blah very high

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high sure let's just let it be cranked

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all right it's barely doing 60 average

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1% are like a solid 10 something sometimes I'm going to take a look at a

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few more of these you want to come back for crisis sure let's try Elden ring

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it's capped at 60 FPS but you know hopefully those 1% low stutters are gone

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all of our settings are maxed out at 4K R tracing cranked we've hit our cap and

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we're still stuttering every now and then next game for GTA online looks like

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we're using about 5 gigs of video memory set to 4K 240 Herz everything is

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basically cranked that's not bad you know 55 160 FPS average 1% lows 140 150

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I think that if you're playing GTA 5 or online with a 5090 I don't think you

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have anything to worry about when it comes to performance at 4K Boulders Gate

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3 everything cranked we're getting 210

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frames a second our 1% lows are

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sitting 150 to 200 FPS let's check out

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Minecraft next it's got everything set to you know Max render distance Max

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simulation distance um everything else is turned on or set to Max so you might

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get some initial hitching but now we're seeing 230 FPS average 1% are around 200

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as well Minecraft is running pretty well but you know what we can make it look a

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little prettier than this now we've got Minecraft with BSL shaders and it looks

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incredible I'm still getting like 165

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FPS average 150 180 1% lows goes deep

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down is like 36 I think that if you want to play maxed out Minecraft at 4K with a

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590 this is a very comfortable gaming

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experience next game okay 4K HDR pq10

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Reflex on with Boost okay now we're looking at cyberp

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Punk no Ray tracing no dlss it looks great it runs great next

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game as for Arc survival ascended this one's very unoptimized we're at 4K

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render scale set to 100% even though dlss is set to off just in case Graphics

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is all pretty maxed out here I'm getting like 100 FPS average 1% dipping into 50s

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but they're you know they're usually around 65 70 this is very playable now

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let's play another game you guys requested that wasn't great at launch

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but has you know become pretty good over the years Fallout 76 I've got everything

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maxed out 4K and I'm getting 240 260

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frames a second Rock Solid performance you know your 1% lows are going to dip

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but it's not anything that you're going to feel terrible about I don't

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experience any hitching right now now time for beam andng we've got it set to

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4K uh Ultra preset I haven't touched any

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of these it could be turned up a little more but I think Ultra preset is more

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than fair all right we're getting the odd

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hitch just chilling on on the beach here but otherwise I'm seeing you know 300

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FPS it's actually a pretty Rock Solid 1% lows as low as 175 going up into 200 240

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I know this isn't the most scenic environment otherwise you know it's

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pretty solid let's check out Black Ops 6 4K native resolution Extreme Graphics

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preset yeah we've played almost a full match and I'm still getting like 160

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average frames a second with lows of like 144 150 it's a small map and it's

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not war zone I don't know if war zone handles a lot worse than this but this

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seems more than playable another one you guys requested is Destiny 2 we're in 4k

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everything is cranked I'm sure our 1%

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lows aren't that awful like I'm not feeling any hitching game is just

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working um feels great Stephen if you're

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watching this 4K Destiny 2 5090 250 300

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frames a second you know you want it of course of course they want crisis

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remastered yeah there you nerds there were a lot of people asking for the

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original crisis yeah everything is set to can oh hdr1 it does have it very good

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you're getting 113 FPS though average 1%

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dip pretty heavily down to like 30 but now that it's kind of settled down it's

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you know around 100 110

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dude dude the Shadows on the gun they

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they look really good that water look

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out at the beach oh man look at these

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Shadows look at these Shadows Bud look

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at the lighting inside here you get that hard lighting coming in from the Sun oh

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man this just this makes me want the new card before we're allowed to make a

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final decision we have to look at the lab's results these reveal a key thing

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that our ad hoc testing cannot look at

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how poorly the RTX 3090 has aged when

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the 40 series came out a couple of years ago it was $100 more for double or darn

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near double the performance well that made the price feel somewhat Justified

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given that it was a decidedly next gen card but the 55090 is another $400 or

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about a 25% increase in price for about what 20 to 30% performance bump on

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average is it a bad upgrade I mean not if you have the money to throw at it but

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you're not getting nearly the same feel-good moment that upgraders got last

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time when they plugged in their new card that I got fired up their favorite game

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and then saw night and day performance Improvement atomic heart sees a jump

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into triple digits but then a decent uplift with the 590 City skylines 2 goes

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from cinematic to playable to slightly more playable the other CS2 sees decent

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gains from generation to generation as does Shadow of the Tomb Raider and to a

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similar extent tiny tinis wonderlands but when we include the rest of today's

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list and games we tested for the review most of the charts look like this rocket

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League Total War Warhammer 3 return

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f124 The Last of Us Red Dead Redemption

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2 Dota 2 is a weird outlier but we're pretty sure it's just CPU bottleneck

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giving me another excuse to not upgrade to a 5090 guess what game out of this

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whole list I've got the most hours in2 that's right by a wide margin I'm

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getting Deja Vu this feels a lot like going from the 2080 TI to the 3090 back

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then people paid an extra $500 MSRP for about a 20s something per performance

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uplift although they did get a whack of extra vram the performance was me and it

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was the RAM capacity that was more desired miners cared while ethereum was

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still a thing the productivity benchmarks looked great and Gamers were

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starting to care about getting more vram for higher resolution gaming and we're

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seeing kind of the same thing play out now except this time it's the AI crowd

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instead of the crypto miners that are enjoying the 32 gigs of vram on this

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thing as for the productivity guys well hey more faster means more money so they

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can recoup their investment but do you need 32 gigs of vram for

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gaming even at 4K not now and probably

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not ever if I'm being honest ever is a big word but like you know not ever

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right now so then after all this the 8K

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gaming the Labs testing the 4K gaming today are you going for it but don't

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answer that yet because I wrote an email to myself with what I'm going to say to

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plof I wrote this on January 30th okay

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if I could sell my 4090 right now and go

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and buy a 5090 tomorrow I do it but I

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don't want to sell my 4090 right now and then wait 3 months maybe for a

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replacement card I'm going to sit on my pre-order and I'm not going to cancel it

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no you have to make a decision you've got to tell the people I'm canceling it

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then I'm canceling you're canceling it I

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no way I got it wrong you got it wrong

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you guessed that I would I'm calling it you're buying it

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wow wow there were a few big things the

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Dota 2 performance not that I need more than 400 frames a second in Dota 2 but

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like that's the main game I play the Final Fantasy thing was huge yeah that

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was a big deal I was really hoping that it would really fix those 1% lows

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stalker 2 was that one was tough that was actually really hard for me seeing

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it crack 100 plus FPS I can't wait for

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his I caved tweet I deleted Twitter I'm calling it

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I'm calling it I'm still calling it I'm not UNC calling it that's how this is

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going to be I will email Memory Express today well tell you what I'll take it

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cuz I'm going for it all right I've got a 3080 in my gaming system now huge

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upgrade huge it's an enormous upgrade for me but what I'm not going to do is

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buy more than one of them for my multiple gaming PCs so I'm going to have

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to finally figure out a smooth way of sharing it between here and the theater

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room maybe you can give me a hand with that I'll do it if you give me this

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monitor come on you know it's only $199

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MSI won't mind I want the 98 Watts power delivery and uh the DP 2.1a um okay I

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think it's pretty well established you already have a

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monitor thanks again MSI we'll have everything we Ed today Linked In the

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description below if you want to check it out and thank you for watching this

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video take a look at the other one we did where we gained at 8K on the 590 if

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you are one of the dozen or so people that has Monitor and has an 8K display

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there are dozens of you dozens of you