I love gaming in my theater room but despite all the marketing from Sony Xbox
AMD NVIDIA when it comes to high refresh rate and reasonable settings 4K is still
tough to run part of my problem is that I skipped NVIDIA's 40 series so in the
leadup to the 590 launch I said both plof and I went on the record if all the
rumors are true we are buying one as someone with a monitor I wanted even
more performance than I'm getting from my 490 on the subject of monitors MSI
sponsored this video with their new MPG 272 urx a 27in 4K 240 HZ gaming display
and the premise is simple we're going to build a top-of-the-line gaming PC do a
little ad hoc testing with the RTX 590 and when we're done each of us has to
cancel our pre-order or pull the trigger
on a $2900 Canadian doll gaming doohickey
plus tax but here's the thing why is
this decision so complicated I mean whether you think the price is Justified
or not the 5090 is clearly at the top of the charts but the issue is that I don't
play any of those games that we tested do you not really we choose our
benchmarks to paint a well-rounded picture of performance not to try to
cover every popular game well today we changed that not only did the lab get us
Benchmark numbers for all of the games in our suite including many you didn't
see in the review but we're going to throw in random titles that I want to
play that he wants to play and that you want to see us play all at
4K big moment plugging it in considering this graphics card cost
$2,000 setting it to anything other than high or very high it just feels bad man
but Counterpoint considering that this GPU costs
$2,000 getting low frame rates feels pretty bad man and so do is lowering the
resolution dlss might have come a long way and reflex 2 might fix some of our
latency issues with frame gen but reflex 2 ain't out yet is it sure isn't and it
won't do anything about the artifacting and general weirdness that we did still
find noticeable in our 8K gaming video that's especially true when the monitor
you happen to own I also own a monitor is like 115 in so the way that I see it
dlss is on the menu but if I'm spending
this much on a GPU you I don't want to generate frames I want to render frames
as for an FPS Target okay my theater display is 120 HZ is that too much to
ask not for $2,000 especially when most modern mid-tier or high tier TVs start
at 120 HZ refresh rate and some monitors
can do more both our Monitor and our GPU
today support DisplayPort 2.1 ubr2 it
runs it up to 80 gb per second meaning 4K 240 Herz can be done now with no
display stream compression I have not actually experienced this yet so I can't
wait that's a pretty monitor who she's sharp dude let's start
with a game that really benefits from a high resolution display and that really
punishes your system at higher detail levels and higher view distances wow
that is smooth I have never seen this game look
this smooth really oh dude yeah your 1%
lows they go as low as like 50 well 40
but depending on what you're looking at it's pretty reasonable oh 100% look it's
a really well optimized game like you can run it on Intel integrated Graphics
that was one of their targets when they developed it yeah but that would be at
low and once you start pushing it up to higher details and higher resolutions it
is an extremely punishing game because there is so much detail there's a ton
going on we're one game in and I'm already
like you're making a much bigger upgrade
than I am cuz I could probably run ano at home 4K maybe not quite those
settings and still get pretty good FPS that's true 4090 is strong it's a great
card yeah 3080 is also strong but old a
little dated what's next Halo this is running amazingly it really is I have it
absolutely cranked yep 4K Ultra
everything rate tracing on for a competitive shooter it's a great looking
game in any configuration maxed out it's
gorgeous but how many of the games that you play are this demanding well okay I
got to be honest with you probably 90% of my gaming time right now is in an
indie hockey Rogue light called tape to tape yeah it's great but it isn't
demanding it's really not but I do need to see how it runs how many FPS we get
in here 47 two FPS let's go you think
you can win with 400 FPS I think I could win with 400 FPS yeah I think you need a
th000 no it's way too far away oh I got
it nice dang it enough of my games though want to take the driver's seat
sure I've got four games three of which were actually mentioned by our community
as well ff7 rebirth stalker 2 and path
of XL 2 I'm actively playing all three of those and then a fourth one came out
today today Kingdom Come Deliverance 2
wait that's the one the recommended system requirements for 4K 30 is a 4080
that's right let's start with Final Fantasy
sure at home I'm typically getting in
gungaga Village or other towns about the 120 cap and then it goes down to 1% of
like 50 60 I you know this doesn't look
that different it doesn't look that different this actually looks about the
same as what I'm getting on my 4090 so I don't know if it's just bottlenecked by
the FPS cap or what but I gotta
say this is actually another point in my 409s favor
cuz this is what I'm playing right now and this
is about the same I was really hoping for those 1% lows to be a bit more
stable yeah that's one out of four and I
got to say I'm I don't have any reason right now to upgrade go ahead and start
your next game all right next up stalker 2 heart of Chernobyl this game came out
a little later last year and it is hard
to run I get close to like 60 or 80
averages and my 1% are bad though
whereas right so right now you're using dlss to get it to run it all which I
know you don't like to do so yeah I prefer turning it off and uh I'm getting
numbers better than I normally get with dlss on
not much but we're getting like 90 855
average with this looks very playable this is very playable 1% are like they
do go down to 50 or so but they're usually around 60 I do Wonder though how
much of that is the 9800 x3d we have in here and how much of it's the GPU yeah
cuz a whole platform upgrade would be cheaper than upgrading your GPU and we
were talking off camera about how he just convinced one of his friends to
upgrade their monitor rather than buy a 5090 because there's other things you
can do to make your games run better other than just buying a new GPU yeah or
at least look prettier it's just that he already has like sick everything else
so I was really hoping for it to work a
little worse than this you're like the
one guy I can think of who looks at the new product he's planning to buy and is
like oh I really hope it sucks yeah it's
expensive okay let's see how much dlss
helps triple digits with 1% just hit
Triple digit oh they're usually like 80 90 okay all right well it's markedly
improved next up is path of XL2 while we
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comfortable I normally get like 90 to
150 FPS average I mean that's what that's a huge range it's a huge range I
know uh I've actually been trying their new controller support it's actually
pretty good it's frustrating to me because it runs well except when it
doesn't uh and sometimes I see major dips below triple digits in maps so it
does get even worse than that okay it's all over the place just like it normally
is but I'm seeing instead of 90250 we're
seeing like 212 down to like 175 and
it's doing exactly what I wanted no my triple digits I'm still seeing okay
we're we're still getting stutters every now and then but that's kind of just the game um does it feel different it
doesn't feel that much different but it's hard for me seeing those numbers
like I'm seeing 1% of like2 okay don't look at the numbers don't look at the
numbers how does it feel it feels good
but it felt good before do I want it to feel good or do I want to pay that much
money to make it feel good oh man I I
I'm going to put this one as another win for the
5090 okay all right then last but not least
Kingdom Come Deliverance to sorry I keep leaning into the frame cuz I'm like I
know I know five layer tandem OLED panel
boys sure looks pretty it really does in
any game and MSI has asked us to point
out that you can make your whole desk look pretty too with Windows Dynamic
lighting certification that syncs lighting effects across multiple devices
I know this is the start of the game and it might get a little harder to run later once we're in a forest but 140
average and like 130 1% lows 120 I don't
know how badly it's going to make my 4090 cry but I do know that if I go home now
and I boot this up and I'm getting less
than 100 in your 1% low less than 100 in my 1% lows or even in
averages I'm going to be real upset now that I've seen this you are such a de
I'm going to be real upset you know that right I know but I just want it to look
good we're seeing the odd dip yeah I can
deal with that it's it's almost impossible to fully fix random hitching
especially in new games oh but I mean look I'm fighting people and I'm getting
like 120 130 FPS y i man okay now it's
time for us to look at some Community picks first up Indiana Jones at 8K this
ran surprisingly well oh man 140 150 130 FPS average man
this is such a goodl looking game yeah it really is those 1% are Rock Solid
above 60 they're like 80 to 110 I would turn it up yeah let's do it I don't need
120 FPS in a more cinematic exploratory game like
this go up one notch cuz path tracing is demanding ooh turn on indirect
illumination though sure oh that's full RT I don't think she's going to do this
you've got like a solid 60 70 FPS average I wouldn't play it like this no
no I mean move the mouse yeah that feels bad yeah I
wouldn't play like this okay fair enough what if the dlss was turned on we can
try it 120 115 FPS average 1% are like
70 85 yeah we're only on we're on quality too so overall usually when you
have it set to Quality it looks pretty darn good it really does just buy a 5090
you you can't tell people that just buy it's easy it's so cheap it's
so you want your games to run good don't you just spend two $2,000 on a graphics
card that's more than what most people spend on their computers when you're on
your deathbed do you want to look back and think of how many FPS you could have
had if you just that was so cringe dude it's a
reference this monitor may only be Vasa true black 400 certified but it can also
reach up to a thousand nits and it can do that without issue because msi's got
their OLED care 2.0 to help reduce the risk of image retention and if it does
happen they've got a three-year warranty that covers that specifically time for
flight Sim 2024 37 FPS average 3 1% lows
yeah okay it's hitching every now and
then which kind of sucks like I'm seeing 1% of literally four like single digit
1% but you know the rest of it pretty okay should we turn on dlss you know
we're not getting that much more uh frames per second though with dlss on no
it went up to a solid 45 instead of 33 or so it's got 40 FPS 1% are like 30
plus and the hitching is bad though it really
kind of we have to turn this down yeah okay let's do that let's turn it from
Ultra to one set under so we're getting closer to 60 averages 1% of like 45 this
feels a lot better already though this is incredible the density is so high you
don't dud this looks so good you don't need flight Sim to run at 200 frames a
second no it's a slow and steady game the stutters they do happen sometimes
worse than others especially here with all these like City talking about it
did but you know they go away and then it's like it's smooth sailing again
flying well it's flying is just sailing in the in the sky time for a very
demanding game Star Citizen deal say
well it's just off so whatever HDR sure it's enabled blah blah blah very high
high sure let's just let it be cranked
all right it's barely doing 60 average
1% are like a solid 10 something sometimes I'm going to take a look at a
few more of these you want to come back for crisis sure let's try Elden ring
it's capped at 60 FPS but you know hopefully those 1% low stutters are gone
all of our settings are maxed out at 4K R tracing cranked we've hit our cap and
we're still stuttering every now and then next game for GTA online looks like
we're using about 5 gigs of video memory set to 4K 240 Herz everything is
basically cranked that's not bad you know 55 160 FPS average 1% lows 140 150
I think that if you're playing GTA 5 or online with a 5090 I don't think you
have anything to worry about when it comes to performance at 4K Boulders Gate
3 everything cranked we're getting 210
frames a second our 1% lows are
sitting 150 to 200 FPS let's check out
Minecraft next it's got everything set to you know Max render distance Max
simulation distance um everything else is turned on or set to Max so you might
get some initial hitching but now we're seeing 230 FPS average 1% are around 200
as well Minecraft is running pretty well but you know what we can make it look a
little prettier than this now we've got Minecraft with BSL shaders and it looks
incredible I'm still getting like 165
FPS average 150 180 1% lows goes deep
down is like 36 I think that if you want to play maxed out Minecraft at 4K with a
590 this is a very comfortable gaming
experience next game okay 4K HDR pq10
Reflex on with Boost okay now we're looking at cyberp
Punk no Ray tracing no dlss it looks great it runs great next
game as for Arc survival ascended this one's very unoptimized we're at 4K
render scale set to 100% even though dlss is set to off just in case Graphics
is all pretty maxed out here I'm getting like 100 FPS average 1% dipping into 50s
but they're you know they're usually around 65 70 this is very playable now
let's play another game you guys requested that wasn't great at launch
but has you know become pretty good over the years Fallout 76 I've got everything
maxed out 4K and I'm getting 240 260
frames a second Rock Solid performance you know your 1% lows are going to dip
but it's not anything that you're going to feel terrible about I don't
experience any hitching right now now time for beam andng we've got it set to
4K uh Ultra preset I haven't touched any
of these it could be turned up a little more but I think Ultra preset is more
than fair all right we're getting the odd
hitch just chilling on on the beach here but otherwise I'm seeing you know 300
FPS it's actually a pretty Rock Solid 1% lows as low as 175 going up into 200 240
I know this isn't the most scenic environment otherwise you know it's
pretty solid let's check out Black Ops 6 4K native resolution Extreme Graphics
preset yeah we've played almost a full match and I'm still getting like 160
average frames a second with lows of like 144 150 it's a small map and it's
not war zone I don't know if war zone handles a lot worse than this but this
seems more than playable another one you guys requested is Destiny 2 we're in 4k
everything is cranked I'm sure our 1%
lows aren't that awful like I'm not feeling any hitching game is just
working um feels great Stephen if you're
watching this 4K Destiny 2 5090 250 300
frames a second you know you want it of course of course they want crisis
remastered yeah there you nerds there were a lot of people asking for the
original crisis yeah everything is set to can oh hdr1 it does have it very good
you're getting 113 FPS though average 1%
dip pretty heavily down to like 30 but now that it's kind of settled down it's
you know around 100 110
dude dude the Shadows on the gun they
they look really good that water look
out at the beach oh man look at these
Shadows look at these Shadows Bud look
at the lighting inside here you get that hard lighting coming in from the Sun oh
man this just this makes me want the new card before we're allowed to make a
final decision we have to look at the lab's results these reveal a key thing
that our ad hoc testing cannot look at
how poorly the RTX 3090 has aged when
the 40 series came out a couple of years ago it was $100 more for double or darn
near double the performance well that made the price feel somewhat Justified
given that it was a decidedly next gen card but the 55090 is another $400 or
about a 25% increase in price for about what 20 to 30% performance bump on
average is it a bad upgrade I mean not if you have the money to throw at it but
you're not getting nearly the same feel-good moment that upgraders got last
time when they plugged in their new card that I got fired up their favorite game
and then saw night and day performance Improvement atomic heart sees a jump
into triple digits but then a decent uplift with the 590 City skylines 2 goes
from cinematic to playable to slightly more playable the other CS2 sees decent
gains from generation to generation as does Shadow of the Tomb Raider and to a
similar extent tiny tinis wonderlands but when we include the rest of today's
list and games we tested for the review most of the charts look like this rocket
League Total War Warhammer 3 return
f124 The Last of Us Red Dead Redemption
2 Dota 2 is a weird outlier but we're pretty sure it's just CPU bottleneck
giving me another excuse to not upgrade to a 5090 guess what game out of this
whole list I've got the most hours in2 that's right by a wide margin I'm
getting Deja Vu this feels a lot like going from the 2080 TI to the 3090 back
then people paid an extra $500 MSRP for about a 20s something per performance
uplift although they did get a whack of extra vram the performance was me and it
was the RAM capacity that was more desired miners cared while ethereum was
still a thing the productivity benchmarks looked great and Gamers were
starting to care about getting more vram for higher resolution gaming and we're
seeing kind of the same thing play out now except this time it's the AI crowd
instead of the crypto miners that are enjoying the 32 gigs of vram on this
thing as for the productivity guys well hey more faster means more money so they
can recoup their investment but do you need 32 gigs of vram for
gaming even at 4K not now and probably
not ever if I'm being honest ever is a big word but like you know not ever
right now so then after all this the 8K
gaming the Labs testing the 4K gaming today are you going for it but don't
answer that yet because I wrote an email to myself with what I'm going to say to
plof I wrote this on January 30th okay
if I could sell my 4090 right now and go
and buy a 5090 tomorrow I do it but I
don't want to sell my 4090 right now and then wait 3 months maybe for a
replacement card I'm going to sit on my pre-order and I'm not going to cancel it
no you have to make a decision you've got to tell the people I'm canceling it
then I'm canceling you're canceling it I
no way I got it wrong you got it wrong
you guessed that I would I'm calling it you're buying it
wow wow there were a few big things the
Dota 2 performance not that I need more than 400 frames a second in Dota 2 but
like that's the main game I play the Final Fantasy thing was huge yeah that
was a big deal I was really hoping that it would really fix those 1% lows
stalker 2 was that one was tough that was actually really hard for me seeing
it crack 100 plus FPS I can't wait for
his I caved tweet I deleted Twitter I'm calling it
I'm calling it I'm still calling it I'm not UNC calling it that's how this is
going to be I will email Memory Express today well tell you what I'll take it
cuz I'm going for it all right I've got a 3080 in my gaming system now huge
upgrade huge it's an enormous upgrade for me but what I'm not going to do is
buy more than one of them for my multiple gaming PCs so I'm going to have
to finally figure out a smooth way of sharing it between here and the theater
room maybe you can give me a hand with that I'll do it if you give me this
monitor come on you know it's only $199
MSI won't mind I want the 98 Watts power delivery and uh the DP 2.1a um okay I
think it's pretty well established you already have a
monitor thanks again MSI we'll have everything we Ed today Linked In the
description below if you want to check it out and thank you for watching this
video take a look at the other one we did where we gained at 8K on the 590 if
you are one of the dozen or so people that has Monitor and has an 8K display
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